The paper reported more than 1,600 students were not allowed in school today for failure to provide for proof of immunizations. How many students were you missing today?
I had a student return today with a doctor's paper that said he had an appointment November 30 to have his shots. Unbelievable. No wonder kids don't believe anything.
I see 98 students a day. I had 37 that were coded with the immunization code not here on Monday. About 16 other students were just absent on top of that.
Pretty easy day though most kids from my online class I have work up in did it (even those at home). Not the same as being here but they are not as far behind and they could have been without the online classrooms.
This entire immunization situation is ludicrous. Of course, vaccinations can be a great thing, but no one should be able to force anyone to get them or give them to their children if they don't want them. The only waiver they allow is for religious reasons. What if its just for personal reasons? I chose not to have certain shots given to my children because I did not like what my own research told me. I still don't and they still don't have those shots. Until I am satisfied with the available information about those shots, they never will. I refuse to have my child injected with something just because someone tells me I must. That is my decision and no one else's.
I don't even object to any vaccinations, and I still think this whole thing is absurd. If your kid is immunized, then you have nothing to fear from kids who aren't. If those parents decide the risk of the vaccines is higher than the risk of not having them, they should be allowed to make that decision without being kept out of public schools.
Don't be mean. It's not a well-worded sentence, but most teachers would be able to translate it. I think he/she means "It was a pretty easy day, though most kids from the class I have up online did do the work (even those at home)." Or something to that effect.
My nephew is 50 years old and has the mental ability of an 18 month old. His mother died this summer and his 82 year old father now cares for him alone. Once you see the devastation caused by a childhood illness (measles) you realize that the risks of childhood illnesses far outweigh the supposed and unproven risks of the shots. My friend (a few years ago) almost lost her daughter to whooping cough because she didn't believe in shots. My own children were very sick with chicken pox (a mild childhood illness - yeah, right!) - the vaccine was not available when they were little but I spent a very long and difficult 3 weeks and they still bear scars - the youngest was only 6 months old and the blisters became infected - it was awful.
So it makes sense that you would make the decision to vaccinate your child based on your experiences and your research. Other parents should have the right to make that same decision based on their own experiences and their own research.
Be forewarned and forearmed, as long as we are discussing vaccinations, if you had a whooping cough vaccine as a child and now are above 40 you may want to consider getting vaccinated again. I did not know this and had whopping cough this summer, and it took at least six weeks to clear up completely. Thank goodness I did not expose any small children because to small children and some adults it can be fatal.
I'm old enough to remember the polio epidemic in the 1950's. I remember my mother making sure I received the Salk vaccine. I also remember that two of the people in my high school graduating class had polio in the 1950's, spent months in 'iron lungs', and managed to survive; however, both were left with atrophied leg muscles. One still walks with crutches, and the other has one very small leg and must wear a heavy 6 inch built up shoe which is not pleasant for a woman.
I also worked with children who had rubella as infants. Most were severly/profoundly mentally disabled, and one was blind, also. That was before a rubella vaccine existed.
These things are not meant to be sensational, but rather, to highlight the very realities of some ugly viruses that still lurk out there and occasionally resurface to attack the unprotected.
"This entire immunization situation is ludicrous", from the above post. You must be a young parent who has not faced the illnesses that not being immunized creates. I grew up with children who were deaf because of the Mumps, or could not walk because of Polio. I remember well the girl who lost her hair because of Scarlet Fever. Small Pox scars are ugly and humiliating to the person who has them. If you love your children please immunize them and not be a narrow minded, ineffective parent.
I wish some of you people would learn to read before you respond and make a fool of yourself. Here, I'm trying to type slow so you can understand. I never said my children have never gotten any immunizations. In fact, I said "vaccinations can be a great thing". I also said "I chose not to have certain shots given to my children because I did not like what my own research told me". Which shots I chose to give them or not give them is my business. It is much more "narrow minded and ineffective" to blindly follow any mandate presented to you than it is to make a choice based on many hours of research. My children are worth my time, aren't yours?
My oldest son is 39 with two young children, and he would not understand the polio issue or the smallpox issue or the German Measles (rubella) issue if I had not taken the time to sit with him and do a Google search for these diseases. He did not like what he read about their potential ramifications and especially did not like the pictures showing the after-effects.
If one generation of children goes without vaccinations against these diseases, we can expect to see their return. Just because you've never witnessed an adult crippled by childhood polio, does not mean that the polio virus has vanished from the face of the Earth.
I believe parents have the right to decide what vaccinations they want to give their children. However, if these same parents want to send their children to public school where the exposure to childhood diseases is great if not immunized, then it is very risky to not get all shots. The stories above of the devastation is real. While the strain on parents and school personnel has been great this past week, I believe it is necessary in order to keep our community healthy.
If you're going to take your dog to the dog park, you have to prove your dog has had all its shots. That's what the community of dog owners has decided is the right thing to do. That's what the vets have recommended, according to their "research", which is based on science.
If you want to send your kids to public school, they have to have all the shots that are recommended. This recommendation was made by medical doctors who are scientists.
I suppose the "research" the parent above is calling research is more Google and re-Google. Maybe she used Yahoo. You can't always believe everything you read on the web.
Medical doctors are not of one voice any more than all the members of any other profession. Vaccinations make drug companies money, so lobbyists push for laws to force people to have them. The risks are minimized, and the threat is exaggerated. Don't kid yourself into thinking this is about the greater good. There is no such thing.
You know what else makes money, people sending their kids to doctors because of illnesses. Iron Lungs cost lots of money! Lets stop giving Polio vaccines so that doctors can earn more money.... You Are An Idiot!
Nobody said to stop offering vaccinations. The argument is about legally requiring them. The poster above is right. Laws like that aren't about protecting people. They're about political deals with lobbyists. Educate yourself.
Interesting argument you people are having. One side wants the option of choosing. The other side thinks everyone should be required to get all shots to keep everyone safe. Here's what I don't understand. If you think the shots really work, why would being around those that don't have them be dangerous to you? You have the shots and should be protected right? Seems like more of an attempt to control others than a safety issue to me.
Heck, I don't mind if your kids get polio or smallpox if you don't mind. My kids will be protected because of vaccinations, but the rest of us taxpayers will be hit with the ramifications of 'your choice' down the road.
There will be more kids needing special services because they're blind, they're deaf, they need wheelchairs, they need braces, they need physical therapy, they need occupational therapy, they need mobility training, they need mental health counseling because they look different, they need laser skin resurfacing to smooth the smallpox scars, they need expensive therapeutic education from public schools, they need SSI because they can't work, and ad nauseum. Ultimately, getting children vaccinated DOES benefit the public good.
Sheesh, the more I think about it, I'd say that special educators, physicians, therapists, and other medical professionals actually would benefit financially if you did not get your child vaccinated. We could call it long-term 'job security'.
Actually, kids have weaker immune systems now than at any point in history. Most vaccinations are not necessary. The illnesses they protect against are relatively harmless, and acquiring illness builds up the body's natural immunities. The long-term ramifications of some of the ingredients in vaccinations is still questionable, and we are seeing an increase in illnesses (such as autism), allergies, and sensitivities that may be linked to the numerous foreign substances we are injecting into developing bodies or to the resultant immuno-compromised state. I'll take my chances with chicken pox, thank you.
If everybody in a population is vaccinated, the chances of contracting the disease are near zero. But the more people in a population who do not get vaccinated for whatever reasons, the more the whole population is jeopardized. Imagine a robust child who is not vaccinated and gets mumps. Before his parents keep him home from school, he infects half his classmates and the school staff, some have been vaccinated and are not affected. Some have not been vaccinated, and they get the mumps. Most recover. Maybe one of the non-vaccinated dies. There may also be a child or adult who was vaccinated, but who is not a robust healthy child or adult, and this unlucky person gets infected by several people, some of whom have been vaccinated and some who have not. Both can be carriers of the virus. The weak but vaccinated person dies. Does this mean the vaccine doesn't work? No. It means that if some people don't get vaccinated they can jeopardize those who do. On the other hand, if most people have been vaccinated, those in the population who haven't been vaccinated benefit from the actions of the others and get protection against the disease without being vaccinated. If too many people take this free-ride approach, the entire population ultimately suffers.
You're surely free to take your chances with chicken pox. You're also free to join Gamblers Anonymous and/or homeschool your child.
These "relatively harmless childhood illnesses" that "actually help build up the immune system" are miserable illnesses that leave scars (such as chicken pox) cause pain and suffering and other "mild childhood illnesses" such as measles can leave a child mentally handicapped or blind (as in our family) - children today are healthier than ever in the past due to vaccines and there has been no documentation that autism is caused by vaccines - you are free to make that decision but public schools are free to tell you that they cannot accept your child who becomes a risk to others. BTW, whooping cough is NOT a mild disease either - ask a parent who has spent weeks of anxiety trying to help their child breathe through coughing spells - doesn't it make sense that our childhood mortality rate is so much lower now than in years past - wouldn't parents who lost child after child have felt blessed to have been able to save their children from the "mild childhood illnesses" that took their lives?
I agree that doctors aren't in agreement about vaccines. My pediatrician does not follow CDC guidelines when vaccinating her own children. She begins the vaccinations after age 2, never combines vaccinations, and waits at least two months between each vaccine. She also doesn't give her children the flu vaccine.
And yet, by law, she has to recommended CDC guidelines to me. There is a lot of politics in medicine, just like in education.
I doubt seriously that the vast majority ot IPS parents who failed to get their children vaccinated are members of the anti-vaccine group. I suspect they're just indifferent and lazy parents.
I am not a member of any "anti-vaccine group". I happen to believe that most vaccines are beneficial. I just refuse to allow the government to dictate what medical treatment will be given to my children. If I want my child to have certain immunizations, they will get them. If certain immunizations are undesirable to me, they will not be given to my children. Thankfully, I'm smart enough to realize public education is worthless and these unconstitutional laws won't affect me or my children.
..you would rush to the government if your child developed one of the diseases and had a life long disability because of it. Perhaps you need to sign a waiver if you refuse to give your children life saving vaccinations. If you child suffers a life long disability due to your decision then you will be 100% responsible for all medical care and home nursing care.
I had a student return today with a doctor's paper that said he had an appointment November 30 to have his shots. Unbelievable. No wonder kids don't believe anything.
ReplyDeleteTwo out of thirty.
ReplyDeleteall my students!
ReplyDeleteour nurse and assistant principal worked very hard
In two classes I had one and in another I had 4. The rest showed up.
ReplyDeleteI see 98 students a day. I had 37 that were coded with the immunization code not here on Monday. About 16 other students were just absent on top of that.
ReplyDeletePretty easy day though most kids from my online class I have work up in did it (even those at home). Not the same as being here but they are not as far behind and they could have been without the online classrooms.
This entire immunization situation is ludicrous. Of course, vaccinations can be a great thing, but no one should be able to force anyone to get them or give them to their children if they don't want them. The only waiver they allow is for religious reasons. What if its just for personal reasons? I chose not to have certain shots given to my children because I did not like what my own research told me. I still don't and they still don't have those shots. Until I am satisfied with the available information about those shots, they never will. I refuse to have my child injected with something just because someone tells me I must. That is my decision and no one else's.
ReplyDeleteI don't even object to any vaccinations, and I still think this whole thing is absurd. If your kid is immunized, then you have nothing to fear from kids who aren't. If those parents decide the risk of the vaccines is higher than the risk of not having them, they should be allowed to make that decision without being kept out of public schools.
ReplyDelete"Pretty easy day though most kids from my online class I have work up in did it (even those at home)."
ReplyDeleteWTF?????????????????????
Don't be mean. It's not a well-worded sentence, but most teachers would be able to translate it. I think he/she means "It was a pretty easy day, though most kids from the class I have up online did do the work (even those at home)." Or something to that effect.
ReplyDeleteMy nephew is 50 years old and has the mental ability of an 18 month old. His mother died this summer and his 82 year old father now cares for him alone. Once you see the devastation caused by a childhood illness (measles) you realize that the risks of childhood illnesses far outweigh the supposed and unproven risks of the shots. My friend (a few years ago) almost lost her daughter to whooping cough because she didn't believe in shots. My own children were very sick with chicken pox (a mild childhood illness - yeah, right!) - the vaccine was not available when they were little but I spent a very long and difficult 3 weeks and they still bear scars - the youngest was only 6 months old and the blisters became infected - it was awful.
ReplyDeleteSo it makes sense that you would make the decision to vaccinate your child based on your experiences and your research. Other parents should have the right to make that same decision based on their own experiences and their own research.
ReplyDeleteBe forewarned and forearmed, as long as we are discussing vaccinations, if you had a whooping cough vaccine as a child and now are above 40 you may want to consider getting vaccinated again. I did not know this and had whopping cough this summer, and it took at least six weeks to clear up completely. Thank goodness I did not expose any small children because to small children and some adults it can be fatal.
ReplyDeleteI'm old enough to remember the polio epidemic in the 1950's. I remember my mother making sure I received the Salk vaccine. I also remember that two of the people in my high school graduating class had polio in the 1950's, spent months in 'iron lungs', and managed to survive; however, both were left with atrophied leg muscles. One still walks with crutches, and the other has one very small leg and must wear a heavy 6 inch built up shoe which is not pleasant for a woman.
ReplyDeleteI also worked with children who had rubella as infants. Most were severly/profoundly mentally disabled, and one was blind, also. That was before a rubella vaccine existed.
These things are not meant to be sensational, but rather, to highlight the very realities of some ugly viruses that still lurk out there and occasionally resurface to attack the unprotected.
"This entire immunization situation is ludicrous", from the above post. You must be a young parent who has not faced the illnesses that not being immunized creates. I grew up with children who were deaf because of the Mumps, or could not walk because of Polio. I remember well the girl who lost her hair because of Scarlet Fever. Small Pox scars are ugly and humiliating to the person who has them. If you love your children please immunize them and not be a narrow minded, ineffective parent.
ReplyDeleteI wish some of you people would learn to read before you respond and make a fool of yourself. Here, I'm trying to type slow so you can understand. I never said my children have never gotten any immunizations. In fact, I said "vaccinations can be a great thing". I also said "I chose not to have certain shots given to my children because I did not like what my own research told me". Which shots I chose to give them or not give them is my business. It is much more "narrow minded and ineffective" to blindly follow any mandate presented to you than it is to make a choice based on many hours of research. My children are worth my time, aren't yours?
ReplyDeleteStand up and unwad your panties, please!
ReplyDeleteTypical response from someone who knows they are outmatched and has nothing more worthwhile to offer. Problem is...they usually try anyway.
ReplyDeleteKids home? driving you crazy?
ReplyDeleteMy oldest son is 39 with two young children, and he would not understand the polio issue or the smallpox issue or the German Measles (rubella) issue if I had not taken the time to sit with him and do a Google search for these diseases. He did not like what he read about their potential ramifications and especially did not like the pictures showing the after-effects.
ReplyDeleteIf one generation of children goes without vaccinations against these diseases, we can expect to see their return. Just because you've never witnessed an adult crippled by childhood polio, does not mean that the polio virus has vanished from the face of the Earth.
I believe parents have the right to decide what vaccinations they want to give their children. However, if these same parents want to send their children to public school where the exposure to childhood diseases is great if not immunized, then it is very risky to not get all shots. The stories above of the devastation is real. While the strain on parents and school personnel has been great this past week, I believe it is necessary in order to keep our community healthy.
ReplyDeleteIf you're going to take your dog to the dog park, you have to prove your dog has had all its shots. That's what the community of dog owners has decided is the right thing to do. That's what the vets have recommended, according to their "research", which is based on science.
ReplyDeleteIf you want to send your kids to public school, they have to have all the shots that are recommended. This recommendation was made by medical doctors who are scientists.
I suppose the "research" the parent above is calling research is more Google and re-Google. Maybe she used Yahoo. You can't always believe everything you read on the web.
Medical doctors are not of one voice any more than all the members of any other profession. Vaccinations make drug companies money, so lobbyists push for laws to force people to have them. The risks are minimized, and the threat is exaggerated. Don't kid yourself into thinking this is about the greater good. There is no such thing.
ReplyDeleteYou know what else makes money, people sending their kids to doctors because of illnesses. Iron Lungs cost lots of money! Lets stop giving Polio vaccines so that doctors can earn more money.... You Are An Idiot!
ReplyDeleteNobody said to stop offering vaccinations. The argument is about legally requiring them. The poster above is right. Laws like that aren't about protecting people. They're about political deals with lobbyists. Educate yourself.
ReplyDeleteInteresting argument you people are having. One side wants the option of choosing. The other side thinks everyone should be required to get all shots to keep everyone safe. Here's what I don't understand. If you think the shots really work, why would being around those that don't have them be dangerous to you? You have the shots and should be protected right? Seems like more of an attempt to control others than a safety issue to me.
ReplyDeleteHeck, I don't mind if your kids get polio or smallpox if you don't mind. My kids will be protected because of vaccinations, but the rest of us taxpayers will be hit with the ramifications of 'your choice' down the road.
ReplyDeleteThere will be more kids needing special services because they're blind, they're deaf, they need wheelchairs, they need braces, they need physical therapy, they need occupational therapy, they need mobility training, they need mental health counseling because they look different, they need laser skin resurfacing to smooth the smallpox scars, they need expensive therapeutic education from public schools, they need SSI because they can't work, and ad nauseum. Ultimately, getting children vaccinated DOES benefit the public good.
Sheesh, the more I think about it, I'd say that special educators, physicians, therapists, and other medical professionals actually would benefit financially if you did not get your child vaccinated. We could call it long-term 'job security'.
ReplyDeleteActually, kids have weaker immune systems now than at any point in history. Most vaccinations are not necessary. The illnesses they protect against are relatively harmless, and acquiring illness builds up the body's natural immunities. The long-term ramifications of some of the ingredients in vaccinations is still questionable, and we are seeing an increase in illnesses (such as autism), allergies, and sensitivities that may be linked to the numerous foreign substances we are injecting into developing bodies or to the resultant immuno-compromised state. I'll take my chances with chicken pox, thank you.
ReplyDeleteIf everybody in a population is vaccinated, the chances of contracting the disease are near zero. But the more people in a population who do not get vaccinated for whatever reasons, the more the whole population is jeopardized. Imagine a robust child who is not vaccinated and gets mumps. Before his parents keep him home from school, he infects half his classmates and the school staff, some have been vaccinated and are not affected. Some have not been vaccinated, and they get the mumps. Most recover. Maybe one of the non-vaccinated dies. There may also be a child or adult who was vaccinated, but who is not a robust healthy child or adult, and this unlucky person gets infected by several people, some of whom have been vaccinated and some who have not. Both can be carriers of the virus. The weak but vaccinated person dies. Does this mean the vaccine doesn't work? No. It means that if some people don't get vaccinated they can jeopardize those who do. On the other hand, if most people have been vaccinated, those in the population who haven't been vaccinated benefit from the actions of the others and get protection against the disease without being vaccinated. If too many people take this free-ride approach, the entire population ultimately suffers.
ReplyDeleteYou're surely free to take your chances with chicken pox. You're also free to join Gamblers Anonymous and/or homeschool your child.
These "relatively harmless childhood illnesses" that "actually help build up the immune system" are miserable illnesses that leave scars (such as chicken pox) cause pain and suffering and other "mild childhood illnesses" such as measles can leave a child mentally handicapped or blind (as in our family) - children today are healthier than ever in the past due to vaccines and there has been no documentation that autism is caused by vaccines - you are free to make that decision but public schools are free to tell you that they cannot accept your child who becomes a risk to others. BTW, whooping cough is NOT a mild disease either - ask a parent who has spent weeks of anxiety trying to help their child breathe through coughing spells - doesn't it make sense that our childhood mortality rate is so much lower now than in years past - wouldn't parents who lost child after child have felt blessed to have been able to save their children from the "mild childhood illnesses" that took their lives?
ReplyDeleteI agree that doctors aren't in agreement about vaccines. My pediatrician does not follow CDC guidelines when vaccinating her own children. She begins the vaccinations after age 2, never combines vaccinations, and waits at least two months between each vaccine. She also doesn't give her children the flu vaccine.
ReplyDeleteAnd yet, by law, she has to recommended CDC guidelines to me. There is a lot of politics in medicine, just like in education.
The issue most people have with vaccines is with the preservative used in the bottle, ask that your child be given a single dose vaccine.
ReplyDeleteI doubt seriously that the vast majority ot IPS parents who failed to get their children vaccinated are members of the anti-vaccine group. I suspect they're just indifferent and lazy parents.
ReplyDeleteI am not a member of any "anti-vaccine group". I happen to believe that most vaccines are beneficial. I just refuse to allow the government to dictate what medical treatment will be given to my children. If I want my child to have certain immunizations, they will get them. If certain immunizations are undesirable to me, they will not be given to my children. Thankfully, I'm smart enough to realize public education is worthless and these unconstitutional laws won't affect me or my children.
ReplyDelete..you would rush to the government if your child developed one of the diseases and had a life long disability because of it. Perhaps you need to sign a waiver if you refuse to give your children life saving vaccinations. If you child suffers a life long disability due to your decision then you will be 100% responsible for all medical care and home nursing care.
ReplyDeleteWhat if your child suffers a life long disability due to the vaccine?
ReplyDelete