That rumor is a lie. IPS and IEA worked very hard TOGETHER to make a plan to try and save the schools that Tony Bennett is threatening to take over. I know one person who was on the committee to make this plan, so I am certain that what I am telling you is fact. Nobody is rolling over on this issue. It may end up that the state does take over the schools anyway, but it won't be because anyone rolled over. It will be because of Bennett's own agenda.
He was also present at last night's premier showing of "Waiting for Superman". Lots of pictures in today's Indy Star. White was dressed for the occasion. He had on a suit and some white dress shoes. Now I dunno if that's stylish in his neighborhood or he's just all-around tasteless.
Quite honestly, I would welcome a state takeover by Dr. Bennett and his crew. I would WELCOME someone showing me how to do my job in a better manner. I don't think the state could do it; I really don't. There are so many multifaceted, delicately interwoven dynamics that go into public education that I simply don't believe that a state takeover will turn schools around. However, a state takeover and subsequent failure might bring to light the multitude of ills our children face.
I think the state should break up the district. They don't need to take it over, they just need to stop paying the people downtown to make decisions. They should take the 5 highschools and use them as their OWN district i.e. Broadripple would be MSD of Broadripple. Tech would be MSD of Tech. Northwest-MSD of Northwest ETC. It would help a LOT if the schools could make their own choices and keep their own students instead of this magnet crap. Break up the schools and you'd see more parent involvement because they'd feel like their community actually makes a difference.
..but what would clueless and spineless Mary Busch do if she didn't have a school system to mismanage and a superintendent whose ass to kiss. She will be gone next election anyway.
You really want to lose the magnet schools/parents/students? That doesn't seem wise. Although I suppose the magnets could convert to charter schools. I agree that breaking up the district (and the bloated administration) would benefit the city. And community schools are fine as an option, but they shouldn't be the only option.
And what about vocational education, gone from almost all high schools, and needed in the same schools...whose stupid idea was that? Tech has some wonderful programs, but kids aren't encouraged or really sold on the idea of attending, and some of the kids who are sent aren't really interested or motivated..and often we send kids who are pretty vulnerable to temptation out of buildings, cross town on busses and wonder why they they get "lost".
Actually Eugene White has demolished most of the good vocational programs at Tech. The Career Center is a mere shadow of its former self. Now with that old old witch in charge, it is on its last legs. Of course, she may forget that the Career Center is even on campus. She is forgetting more and more each day.
Wow. Nothing like pride in your jobs. I do agree that downtown admins are ruining this district, but to refer to IPS as trash seems a little much. Our kids are wonderful. We can't ever forget that! And there are so many of us in the system who do everything we can for our children and for each other. Hang in there and keep working with the kids!
I agree, there are people who don't belong in education any more, the people who refer to students or parents as trash, the people in the teacher's lounge who whine, "these kids aren't like they used to be." and those young teachers who really want to be teaching in Carmel need to go. We all know the things that hinder our kids progress, what we need are strategies and plans to help them overcome their problems. Other districts are emphasizing Response to Intervention, Teaching with poverty in mind, and a number of other research based strategies, we just keep trying to do more of the same thing that doesn't work. This is nothing more than a lack of real leadership...shame on the school board for allowing this.
"Our kids are wonderful. We can't ever forget that!"
BWAAAAHHHAAAHAHAAAHHAHAHAHA!
You people have really completely blinded yourselves to your total and complete ineffectiveness haven't you? I'm not saying there are no good kids and parents in IPS, but the vast majority of them will end up taking much more from society than they ever give and you all know it! There is no "strategy" that will ever work when the kids and parents start from a point that is completely void of morality or self sufficiency. This is why public education will never be totally successful.
You're a moron. There are dozens of us who prove you wrong every day. I hate to be the one to break it to you, but the suburban kids don't have more morals than inner city kids, and their parents don't love them more. But it's definitely tougher teaching kids of uneducated parents than it is teaching kids of educated parents. Not all teachers are up for the task. But many are. Don't ever think it's a hopeless task because it's not.
And your mother dresses you funny! Are we having fun with the immature insults yet? I couldn't care less about your opinion of me or anyone else. It doesn't matter where it takes place, public education is a waste of money and an utter failure. You trying to say I have been proven wrong with the dismal scores and graduation rates you help provide is hilarious. Just like a typical liberal, results don't matter as long as your intentions are good. Keep living in your dreamworld if it makes you happy. I'll be over here watching the success of the kids who got a real education. See ya.
Excuse me. I work at #60 and I never have, and never will, refer to children as trash. Yes, the behavior at #60 is WAY out of control, but that is not the fault of the children. There are numerous people downtown who know what's wrong with #60, but no one will make a move to resolve the problem. And, no, waiting several years for the "Reggio" rollover isn't the solution to our current problems.
Pardon my ignorance of the situation. I don't understand what the difference would be if the state were running the school instead of the district. Can someone explain it to me? Please leave opinion out of the explanation, just the logistics and how the school would be run.
The union contracts would be null and void. Teachers could be replace, days could be added to the school calendar, hours could be added to the school day, etc.
"Indianapolis Public Schools Superintendent Eugene White has expressed concern that the movie is too narrowly focused. Nonetheless, White said he planned to attend the premiere to help draw public attention to education." From the Star on Waiting for Superman
Of course Gene would find a problem with the movie...the FIRST THING RHEE DID WAS FIRE INEFFECTIVE ADMINISTRATORS, and she fired lots of them. When a battle plan fails who is to blame the generals or the foot soldiers?
..but now Rhee has been fired...oh, excuse me..allowed to resign. One more ineffective administrator bites the dust. Goodbye Michelle Rhee......go screw up some other school system.
If the School Improvement Team doesn't do anything about the lack of discipline at #60, caused by an administrator who feels sorry for the trouble causing kids, then they should be fired. How pathetic is it that someone who identifies so closely with trouble kids is allowed to run a building?
"public education is a waste of money and an utter failure."
Really??? All the brilliant people in our society must have private school educations?? Where's your proof?? Corporate talk radio? I could say, using the results from the last several wars our country has engaged in currently that our government military is a waste of money and should be privatized. This is all about politics. Conservatives are attacking public education because they think all teachers are liberals. That's utterly ridiculous. How else are all of these Republicans getting elected city and statewide?? Educators vote too.We aren't all liberals. You wouldn't last one hour in an inner city classroom, any grade, ANYWHERE not just Indianapolis.
AMEN!!! To the posting about the pathetic administrator at #60.............a new administrator should be placed at that building effective immediately! CHAOS and DISORDER are the NORM for that building. I would hate to be a teacher or a staff member working there. This is suppose to be a FFP building? LOL The lady in charge of FFP does nothing but sit on her A_S all day. Her job needs to be eliminated from the budget. IPS is losing money paying for services like this that only offer a disservice to students and teachers.
Did anyone remember their "BOSS" yesterday? Today is "Boss' Day". I'd like to give my administrator a box full of shit, wrapped up all nice and pretty. The note on the box would say " Thanks for the Shitty Job you are doing this school year"! Have a Great Day.
Haha! About the above post.... Sad thing is your not the only one that feels like this...TRUST ME! But yeah that would so funny to see their face when they opened the "present". Oh well not like it will happen... I'll keep doing my job because I'm not here for my boss. I am here for the children!!!!
Are serious or just oblivious? The proof is in the news all the time when the dismal test scores and graduation rates are published. The proof is exhibited in the behavior of most of the kids walking your halls. The proof is exhibited by the fact that you need to have armed police officers in your schools to keep any kind of order. The proof is in the fact that IPS has about 1200 administrators and less than 35000 students, that's nearly 30 administrators per student! The proof is in the fact that a large district like IPS spends thousands more per year per student than nearly any private school with absolutely NOTHING to show for it.
Ah, yes here conmes the private and charter school advocates.
Schools that choose their population. Cannot put out parts of their population when they don't comply. Don't have to follow laws that public schools have to adhere too.
Apples to Oranges. or more like Apples to Bark.
Everyone thinks that Superman is in the Charter school that chooses (lottery or other process). Everyone thinks the silver bullet is something different.
The only Silver Bullet is to force parents to care and be proactive in their kids education. Currently, those parents who care and are active are in Charters, Magnet, etc. The tradictional schools for the most part have the uncaring and uninvolved parents kids. Fighting problems those privates and charters could not even dream of.
So, point to scores, police, etc. You might actually get what you want. Then whom are you going to blame when that fails because of the parents again? Think before opening your mouth.
"The only Silver Bullet is to force parents to care and be proactive in their kids education."
If you believe this yet you still advocate for public education you are a walking contradiction. The reason many parents and students become apathetic in public education is due to their entitlement mentality that makes them think its free. Human nature almost always degrades to apathy when there is no perceived investment. As I said, is why public education will never be successful.
Will someone PLEASE intervene and put an administrator at #60 who believes in discipline?
Or, perhaps I'm wrong. Is it now O.K. to punch someone in the face with both hands and have nothing done? How about a fight? Is that now O.K., too? Do students at other schools actually WANT to go to the office?
Ohhhhh, I swear on the graves of everyone I love. If a student EVER sexually harasses me, I'll contact my attorney, and then I'll sing like a canary about everything that's wrong at my poor excuse of a school. That building is a lawsuit waiting to happen. Make my day. Sling a lewd remark my way, and and pay the consequences.
That's one administrator for every 30 kids. Still absolutely insane, but nowhere near thirty administrators per student. The fact that your math comprehension is so lacking that you wouldn't catch this error as soon as you made it is concerning. The fact that you stood by it after being corrected and called someone else a name for pointing out the error is absolutely dumbfounding. I agree with the person who originally corrected you. I hope you're not a teacher.
There was no math error, but an error in my wording. I take responsibility for that error. I still stand by my premise. Any reasonable person reading what was written knew what was being said despite the error. I still say anyone that supports public education IS a dipshit. Public education will never produce results anywhere near what the private sector can. The excuse of "choosing your students" is irrelevant. Having parents be required to pay for what they are getting for a change will, for the most part, eliminate the apathy and lack of involvement that cripples public education today and always will.
I must correct the person who seems to be misinformed about charter schools. Charter schools in Indiana may not pick and choose their students, and all students must be chosen through the lottery process. Students at charter schools have disabilities, and many of the charter schools in Indiana have higher percentages of special education students than their traditional public school counterparts. Charter schools also may not dismiss their children without cause, as the same rules for due process apply to those students as to traditional public school students. I understand that many traditional public school teachers see charter schools as the enemy, but they can be a beacon for all those who don't believe that schools can operate without a central office. I work for a charter school authorizer, and I can assure you that the accountability and oversight are very rigid, and occurs throughout the year. Most charter schools would love to partner with traditional public schools to share ideas and resources, but the mislaced animosity toward these educators gets in the way of a free exchange of ideas. I worked in IPS for twelve years and know how rotten it is there, but believe me, charter schools are not the enemy.
The white flag needs to be accompanied by the resignation of Eugene White.
ReplyDeleteThat rumor is a lie. IPS and IEA worked very hard TOGETHER to make a plan to try and save the schools that Tony Bennett is threatening to take over. I know one person who was on the committee to make this plan, so I am certain that what I am telling you is fact. Nobody is rolling over on this issue. It may end up that the state does take over the schools anyway, but it won't be because anyone rolled over. It will be because of Bennett's own agenda.
ReplyDeleteIf there's a roll-over and it's Gene White, then get outta the way. We don't need anyone squashed or maimed.
ReplyDeleteEugene White is "big" in the field of education.
ReplyDeleteYes, the last time I saw White he was out standing in his field.
ReplyDeleteHe was also present at last night's premier showing of "Waiting for Superman". Lots of pictures in today's Indy Star. White was dressed for the occasion. He had on a suit and some white dress shoes. Now I dunno if that's stylish in his neighborhood or he's just all-around tasteless.
ReplyDeleteIt's a no-no wearing white after Labor Day Gene!
ReplyDeleteQuite honestly, I would welcome a state takeover by Dr. Bennett and his crew. I would WELCOME someone showing me how to do my job in a better manner. I don't think the state could do it; I really don't. There are so many multifaceted, delicately interwoven dynamics that go into public education that I simply don't believe that a state takeover will turn schools around. However, a state takeover and subsequent failure might bring to light the multitude of ills our children face.
ReplyDeleteI think the state should break up the district. They don't need to take it over, they just need to stop paying the people downtown to make decisions. They should take the 5 highschools and use them as their OWN district i.e. Broadripple would be MSD of Broadripple. Tech would be MSD of Tech. Northwest-MSD of Northwest ETC. It would help a LOT if the schools could make their own choices and keep their own students instead of this magnet crap. Break up the schools and you'd see more parent involvement because they'd feel like their community actually makes a difference.
ReplyDelete..but what would clueless and spineless Mary Busch do if she didn't have a school system to mismanage and a superintendent whose ass to kiss. She will be gone next election anyway.
ReplyDeleteYou really want to lose the magnet schools/parents/students? That doesn't seem wise.
ReplyDeleteAlthough I suppose the magnets could convert to charter schools. I agree that breaking up the district (and the bloated administration) would benefit the city. And community schools are fine as an option, but they shouldn't be the only option.
And what about vocational education, gone from almost all high schools, and needed in the same schools...whose stupid idea was that? Tech has some wonderful programs, but kids aren't encouraged or really sold on the idea of attending, and some of the kids who are sent aren't really interested or motivated..and often we send kids who are pretty vulnerable to temptation out of buildings, cross town on busses and wonder why they they get "lost".
ReplyDeleteA takeover is best. It is the only way to guarantee change.
ReplyDeleteActually Eugene White has demolished most of the good vocational programs at Tech. The Career Center is a mere shadow of its former self. Now with that old old witch in charge, it is on its last legs. Of course, she may forget that the Career Center is even on campus. She is forgetting more and more each day.
ReplyDeleteIPS needs to be taken over by Republic or Rumke. They are the experts at handling trash.
ReplyDeleteWow. Nothing like pride in your jobs. I do agree that downtown admins are ruining this district, but to refer to IPS as trash seems a little much. Our kids are wonderful. We can't ever forget that! And there are so many of us in the system who do everything we can for our children and for each other. Hang in there and keep working with the kids!
ReplyDeleteI agree, there are people who don't belong in education any more, the people who refer to students or parents as trash, the people in the teacher's lounge who whine, "these kids aren't like they used to be." and those young teachers who really want to be teaching in Carmel need to go. We all know the things that hinder our kids progress, what we need are strategies and plans to help them overcome their problems. Other districts are emphasizing Response to Intervention, Teaching with poverty in mind, and a number of other research based strategies, we just keep trying to do more of the same thing that doesn't work. This is nothing more than a lack of real leadership...shame on the school board for allowing this.
ReplyDelete"Our kids are wonderful. We can't ever forget that!"
ReplyDeleteBWAAAAHHHAAAHAHAAAHHAHAHAHA!
You people have really completely blinded yourselves to your total and complete ineffectiveness haven't you? I'm not saying there are no good kids and parents in IPS, but the vast majority of them will end up taking much more from society than they ever give and you all know it! There is no "strategy" that will ever work when the kids and parents start from a point that is completely void of morality or self sufficiency. This is why public education will never be totally successful.
You're a moron. There are dozens of us who prove you wrong every day. I hate to be the one to break it to you, but the suburban kids don't have more morals than inner city kids, and their parents don't love them more. But it's definitely tougher teaching kids of uneducated parents than it is teaching kids of educated parents. Not all teachers are up for the task. But many are. Don't ever think it's a hopeless task because it's not.
ReplyDeleteAnd your mother dresses you funny! Are we having fun with the immature insults yet? I couldn't care less about your opinion of me or anyone else. It doesn't matter where it takes place, public education is a waste of money and an utter failure. You trying to say I have been proven wrong with the dismal scores and graduation rates you help provide is hilarious. Just like a typical liberal, results don't matter as long as your intentions are good. Keep living in your dreamworld if it makes you happy. I'll be over here watching the success of the kids who got a real education. See ya.
ReplyDeleteGod I hope you are not a teacher.
ReplyDeleteI see that #60 is on here again. Only they would refer to children as "trash".
ReplyDeletemmmmI didn't know #60 had any whites/
ReplyDeleteWhat does that have to do with anything. As my friend the nurse says, underneath our skin we all look the same, red and squishy!
ReplyDeleteWord on the street - yes the State will be taking over Manual or Arlington next school year. IPS has to keep the teachers but not administrators.
ReplyDeleteExcuse me. I work at #60 and I never have, and never will, refer to children as trash. Yes, the behavior at #60 is WAY out of control, but that is not the fault of the children. There are numerous people downtown who know what's wrong with #60, but no one will make a move to resolve the problem. And, no, waiting several years for the "Reggio" rollover isn't the solution to our current problems.
ReplyDeletePardon my ignorance of the situation. I don't understand what the difference would be if the state were running the school instead of the district. Can someone explain it to me? Please leave opinion out of the explanation, just the logistics and how the school would be run.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.indystar.com/article/20100328/NEWS08/3280381/1101/NEWS08/Will-state-take-over-Manual
ReplyDeleteThe union contracts would be null and void. Teachers could be replace, days could be added to the school calendar, hours could be added to the school day, etc.
The state could cut salaries in half and no one could do anything to stop it.
ReplyDelete"Indianapolis Public Schools Superintendent Eugene White has expressed concern that the movie is too narrowly focused. Nonetheless, White said he planned to attend the premiere to help draw public attention to education."
ReplyDeleteFrom the Star on Waiting for Superman
Of course Gene would find a problem with the movie...the FIRST THING RHEE DID WAS FIRE INEFFECTIVE ADMINISTRATORS, and she fired lots of them. When a battle plan fails who is to blame the generals or the foot soldiers?
I heard the School Improvement Team was at #60 this past week................they didn't like what they saw there and soon heads will be rolling.
ReplyDelete..but now Rhee has been fired...oh, excuse me..allowed to resign. One more ineffective administrator bites the dust. Goodbye Michelle Rhee......go screw up some other school system.
ReplyDeleteIf the School Improvement Team doesn't do anything about the lack of discipline at #60, caused by an administrator who feels sorry for the trouble causing kids, then they should be fired. How pathetic is it that someone who identifies so closely with trouble kids is allowed to run a building?
ReplyDelete"public education is a waste of money and an utter failure."
ReplyDeleteReally??? All the brilliant people in our society must have private school educations?? Where's your proof?? Corporate talk radio? I could say, using the results from the last several wars our country has engaged in currently that our government military is a waste of money and should be privatized. This is all about politics. Conservatives are attacking public education because they think all teachers are liberals. That's utterly ridiculous. How else are all of these Republicans getting elected city and statewide?? Educators vote too.We aren't all liberals. You wouldn't last one hour in an inner city classroom, any grade, ANYWHERE not just Indianapolis.
AMEN!!! To the posting about the pathetic administrator at #60.............a new administrator should be placed at that building effective immediately! CHAOS and DISORDER are the NORM for that building. I would hate to be a teacher or a staff member working there. This is suppose to be a FFP building? LOL The lady in charge of FFP does nothing but sit on her A_S all day. Her job needs to be eliminated from the budget. IPS is losing money paying for services like this that only offer a disservice to students and teachers.
ReplyDeleteDid anyone remember their "BOSS" yesterday? Today is "Boss' Day". I'd like to give my administrator a box full of shit, wrapped up all nice and pretty. The note on the box would say " Thanks for the Shitty Job you are doing this school year"! Have a Great Day.
ReplyDeleteHaha! About the above post.... Sad thing is your not the only one that feels like this...TRUST ME! But yeah that would so funny to see their face when they opened the "present". Oh well not like it will happen... I'll keep doing my job because I'm not here for my boss. I am here for the children!!!!
ReplyDelete"Where's your proof??"
ReplyDeleteAre serious or just oblivious? The proof is in the news all the time when the dismal test scores and graduation rates are published. The proof is exhibited in the behavior of most of the kids walking your halls. The proof is exhibited by the fact that you need to have armed police officers in your schools to keep any kind of order. The proof is in the fact that IPS has about 1200 administrators and less than 35000 students, that's nearly 30 administrators per student! The proof is in the fact that a large district like IPS spends thousands more per year per student than nearly any private school with absolutely NOTHING to show for it.
These are just a few examples. Should I go on?
Ah, yes here conmes the private and charter school advocates.
ReplyDeleteSchools that choose their population. Cannot put out parts of their population when they don't comply. Don't have to follow laws that public schools have to adhere too.
Apples to Oranges. or more like Apples to Bark.
Everyone thinks that Superman is in the Charter school that chooses (lottery or other process). Everyone thinks the silver bullet is something different.
The only Silver Bullet is to force parents to care and be proactive in their kids education. Currently, those parents who care and are active are in Charters, Magnet, etc. The tradictional schools for the most part have the uncaring and uninvolved parents kids. Fighting problems those privates and charters could not even dream of.
So, point to scores, police, etc. You might actually get what you want. Then whom are you going to blame when that fails because of the parents again? Think before opening your mouth.
"The only Silver Bullet is to force parents to care and be proactive in their kids education."
ReplyDeleteIf you believe this yet you still advocate for public education you are a walking contradiction. The reason many parents and students become apathetic in public education is due to their entitlement mentality that makes them think its free. Human nature almost always degrades to apathy when there is no perceived investment. As I said, is why public education will never be successful.
Really? Thirty administrators per student? I really hope you don't teach math. (Or anything else)
ReplyDeleteWill someone PLEASE intervene and put an administrator at #60 who believes in discipline?
ReplyDeleteOr, perhaps I'm wrong. Is it now O.K. to punch someone in the face with both hands and have nothing done? How about a fight? Is that now O.K., too? Do students at other schools actually WANT to go to the office?
Ohhhhh, I swear on the graves of everyone I love. If a student EVER sexually harasses me, I'll contact my attorney, and then I'll sing like a canary about everything that's wrong at my poor excuse of a school. That building is a lawsuit waiting to happen. Make my day. Sling a lewd remark my way, and and pay the consequences.
ReplyDelete"Really? Thirty administrators per student? I really hope you don't teach math. (Or anything else)"
ReplyDelete35000 ÷ 1200 = 29.16 Try a calculator dipshit.
That's one administrator for every 30 kids. Still absolutely insane, but nowhere near thirty administrators per student. The fact that your math comprehension is so lacking that you wouldn't catch this error as soon as you made it is concerning. The fact that you stood by it after being corrected and called someone else a name for pointing out the error is absolutely dumbfounding. I agree with the person who originally corrected you. I hope you're not a teacher.
ReplyDeleteThere was no math error, but an error in my wording. I take responsibility for that error. I still stand by my premise. Any reasonable person reading what was written knew what was being said despite the error. I still say anyone that supports public education IS a dipshit. Public education will never produce results anywhere near what the private sector can. The excuse of "choosing your students" is irrelevant. Having parents be required to pay for what they are getting for a change will, for the most part, eliminate the apathy and lack of involvement that cripples public education today and always will.
ReplyDeleteI must correct the person who seems to be misinformed about charter schools. Charter schools in Indiana may not pick and choose their students, and all students must be chosen through the lottery process. Students at charter schools have disabilities, and many of the charter schools in Indiana have higher percentages of special education students than their traditional public school counterparts. Charter schools also may not dismiss their children without cause, as the same rules for due process apply to those students as to traditional public school students. I understand that many traditional public school teachers see charter schools as the enemy, but they can be a beacon for all those who don't believe that schools can operate without a central office. I work for a charter school authorizer, and I can assure you that the accountability and oversight are very rigid, and occurs throughout the year. Most charter schools would love to partner with traditional public schools to share ideas and resources, but the mislaced animosity toward these educators gets in the way of a free exchange of ideas. I worked in IPS for twelve years and know how rotten it is there, but believe me, charter schools are not the enemy.
ReplyDelete