Do not know who was fired, but I do note that the below positions are now advertised Online for Marshall:
Language Arts -- middle school Math -- certified for grades 6-12 Vocal Music -- certified for grades 6-12 Chemistry -- high school, I suppose Social Studies -- certified in Sociology, World History and US History - high school, I suppose
Doesn't losing 5 certified teachers in the middle of a semester (either by choice or by firing) indicate a poor leader? Sounds like Lil' Napoleon (Sullivan) is doing a bang up job.
Not necessarily. Perhaps these teachers were on PIPS, had failed to meet their performance improvement goals, and hence were let go. A poor leader would simply keep them until the end of the year and then shuffle them off to another IPS school. If any principal would bother to follow the intricacies of documenting a teacher's performance, it would be Sullivan. I have found him to be a straight-up guy whether you like him or not. Many do not like him, but I suspect he's not a principal simply to make friends or increase the number of his buddies.
Nope, same students and parents, its the same failing status. I have a feeling the State of Indiana will take over John Marshall Community School. Good luck as only 49% of the teachers stay and the principals will be fired. I hope the Department of Education marks them as failing administrators, and place them on a PIP.
So much for the grand experiment of having Master Teachers (i.e., merit pay/performance pay) at JMCHS since last year.
The State does not need to take over Marshall. IPS needs to close Marshall and move the students to other IPS high schools. It's too costly to keep Marshall open in light of the fact that it's not performing well, and it's too far from anything that is remotely IPS or Indianapolis, for that matter. It's in the middle of no where and is going no where fast. Close the place ASAP. Let Warren have the students and let Lawrence have the students. Sell the property if a buyer can be found.
The little IPS island that makes up the John Marshall district should not be IPS in the first place. None of it is in center township. The part that is in Warren Township should go to Warren, the part that is in Lawrence, should go to Lawrence. Problem solved for IPS.
@Have the test scores increased since Sullivan arrived at JM?
Well, we'd be comparing apples with oranges regarding test scores from two separate assessment instruments since Sullivan took the reins from interim Principal Phyllis Barnes and before that, Jeff White. Looking at the recently released ECA test scores in Algebra I, Biology I, and English 10, it would be impossible to compare Sullivan's effectiveness with Barnes or Jeff White's. Marshall is now giving ECA's for high school courses whereas Barnes/White were dealing with ISTEP+ for middle school students. Don't think we can compare ISTEP+ with ECA scores. Two entirely different animals, for sure.
Maybe it's now time for the original artist of destruction of Marshall, Prudence Bridgwaters, to step up to bat and 'save' the school. Eugene White evidently thought Bridgwaters was the chosen one to break down the school a couple of years ago, so let's get her back on board to build up the school. What d'ya say, Gene? Or, was Gene's mission simply to destroy a person, Jeff White, and not the school. As I always say, be careful what you wish for. You got your wish, Gene. Jeff White is gone and so are the teachers from during his years of Marshall service; however, you're now left with the same students, the same old neighborhood, the same community, and the same parents. If you are unable to draw a simple inference from this condition, then you really do have your head in the sand.
Cut your losses, IPS School Board and Gene White. Close Marshall and let the students there attend school in Lawrence or Warren.
Marshall had freshmen during the Jeff White/Phyllis Barnes year. The biology teacher quit before Christmas and they never managed to hire another licensed biology teacher. Some of the students did distance learning with a teacher from Northwest.
Yep, I remember the Biology teacher, Eric Broadus. He was sent to Marshall against his will, never wanted to be there, complained and griped for the few months he was there, and finally finangled a transfer where he ended up in the Ed Center. Saw him at the end of that year walking around schools carrying a clip board as some sort of pseudo-administrator.
All this went down during the time period that Bridgwaters was managing Marshall and Barnes was dispatched as an interim principal. The Biology students ended up with a parade of uncertified subs during the 2nd semester and finally when Barnes was 'told' that Biology was indeed a high school course which required an ECA, she got somebody involved who set up a distance learning module from Northwest for the final two or three weeks of the school year. All the students in Biology I received a C for that course per the Ed Center's decision. What a hot mess of crap! These Ed Center folks don't know high school from middle school from a hole in the ground. The IPS School Board is totally blind to all these back-room shenanigans, I'm convinced.
Everything was fine until Prudence Bridgwaters became Director of Marshall, Arlington, and Howe. The faculty members employed at JM during the 2007-2008 school year had the climate and culture right. Two options exist. Bring back the faculty members from the 2007-2008 school year are close the school. As for Prudence, karma is a beast. We know what happened to her son and how the other son can't get a job on his own.
I was a faculty memeber at JMCHS in 07-08. It was, by far, the best place I have ever worked. The past cannot be recreated but I would be willing to bet that a large percentage of the staff would come back. I would go in a second if they brought people back. Unfortunately, that would amount to IPS admitting they made a mistake and that will NEVER happen. Screw the community and the kids of the east side. Oh well.
The best we can do for the students all over IPS is to try to emulate the successes made there and mvoe forward.
If what happened at John Marshall was a murder, Prudence would be the shooter, Jane Kendrick the driver, and Eugene White the supplier of the gun. The murder of the school and it's community was due to jealousy.
You may have strong feelings about P. Bridgewaters, but to bring the tragedy of her son into the discussion is just downright nasty and reprehensible. I know some other people in IPS who have had tragedies like this in their family and it has no bearing on their work. That is a terrible burden for anyone to carry and I don't understand how anyone could be so hardhearted as to bring it up again and relate it to her work. You are one vindictive person and I am no big fan of P. Bridgewaters so don't even go there as to why I am writing this. I am not an administrator and no longer employed by IPS. It just makes me cringe to think that someone could be so callous toward the pain of another person regardless of what you think of that person.
Oh man, I hope that anyone who believes that a person can be held responsible for another person's suicide, tragedy, etc. never has to experience that themselves. I don't know how anyone could be so hardhearted to say that - you must feel that you lead a pretty perfect life but that is not what God says - we all fail and I would hope that you would be without sin if you are to cast such stones.
Sometimes something like this does have bearing. How good a parent you are often correlates to how good a teacher you are, and it isn't what the kid did, it was what the parent did to try and prevent the tragedy. Did she seek psychological help for her child? or did she ignore the signs? And the unemployable kid. did she teach him to behave in a responsible manner, did she imbue him with a work and personal ethic? Why would a teacher do better for students then he or she would do for their own children?
Well, I know many good parents who did everything possible to "train up their child" and they still suffered a suicide; perhaps your own children have turned out perfect, if so, you have been given a gift. And, my children are fine so I am not speaking for myself - but I know at least 4 teachers whose children have made the wrong decision and there is NO way I would ever add to their grief by intimating that it was poor parenting skills that led to it. I still say, criticize what Dr. Bridgewaters has done professionally but leave her personal tragedy out of it. NO ONE deserves to see their child end theirs or someone else's life and it is the lowest of low to stoop to bringing this up in the context of the problems in this school.
What the hell is wrong with you?! Suicide isn't caused by bad parenting!! It's caused by mental illness. The survivors are the victims of suicide, not some kind of criminal. If the blog owner has an ounce of self respect they will remove your disgusting, vile comments. And I'm just a parent, never met this woman. But I've had loved ones commit suicide. And what you're posting is unconscionable. It says far, far more about your moral deficiencies than whoever it is you're trying to harm.
Prudence brags about rich she has gotten off real estate deals. The reason why her son killed his wife and committed suicide was due to financial hardships. It seems like a good mother would have jumped in save her children. I guess desire to ruin others, ruined her own. Karma is a beast.
I would like to know how many children are at all of the middle-high schools. Oh and would the person who is on here being paid by IPS to change topics stop writing. You are a fool.
JM is not the only school far from Center Township. Most of IPS is outside of Center Township. For instance, the northern boundary of Center Township is 38th Street. Broad Ripple HS is in Washington Township. I once looked up the numbers and found that only about 3500 K-12 students live in Center Township. I'd like to see the other townships required to educate all the students who live within their boundaries. IPS would be as small a district as New Palestine!
ACHS is located in Lawrence Township School District. Arlington is like an island surrounded by Lawrence. The Arlington students don't live near Arlington at all. They are bused in from other areas of the city.
Wonder why the 600 or so students at Marshall are not reassigned to Arlington? Then IPS could save some major money by closing Marshall? Arlington could easily handle another 600 students.
About 800 at Northwest, registered that is. Many of them don't actually show up. And people quit saying things about Bridgewater's sons. Her own actions are worthy enough to be scrutinized.
I concur. The leaders, Reading Teachers, Mrs. Denman, Mrs. Scott, and Ms. McPherson would not be there. Close the casket and say "goodbye" to John Marshall.
I hate to state I agree with you. Unless Gene White admits the faults of Prudence Bridgwaters and Jane Kendricks and rehires the teachers and administration from the 2007-2008 school year, you can begin to lower the casket into the grave. 600 students with grades 7-11 is terrible.
I doubt the teachers a JM were fired. Probably just sitting in the "rubber room" AKA district headquarters shuffling papers. Why would IPS actually hold any adults accountable for their performance or remove anyone that is ineffective? Maybe when the district wakes up and realizes their purpose is to educate children, they will change the way things operate.
When have you not never a real estate person lie about the money they made in real estate deals. Just look at how many are selling their trophy homes now, at reduced? I know of four that are trying to sale and two did short sales. Then three are in foreclosure. Huge Geist homes that are 6,000 to 10,000 square feet, are not a deal for the public. The property taxes are around $5,000 to $9,000 per year, and when Carmel takes over could be double that amount.
When topics are posted here, so often people go off on all kinds of tangents having nothing to do with the original topic.
Is there any way to work in (add) an "Open Forum" type of thing here where people can write about any subject (concerning teaching, IPS, education in general, etc., etc.)?
I know people who have other blogs who do this so that the comments made in response to blog posts stay more on the topic.
Maybe it's not possible within the framework of this blog, but I thought I'd toss the idea out there.
A blog is open, take your medication and get over the issue. Just post the problem and then you ideas and issues. I have a problem keeping up with the new Case Conferences from BRHS, Shortridge, and the others. These schools take the students knowing that you can't werivce them in inclusion, (second year) then wait until ADM, and keep the money. Then have the nerve to return them to their home school. Then you have classes that are small with six to seven students, but still are a fialing school with the ECA?
When have you not never a real estate person lie about the money they made in real estate deals. Just look at how many are selling their trophy homes now, at reduced? I know of four that are trying to sale and two did short sales. Then three are ..."
Huh???? I hope you are not working as a teacher, although, it might explain some of the students test scores.
"A blog is open, take your medication and get over the issue." ___________________
I'm not a teacher nor an IPS employee, but I am generally supportive of teachers. However, sometimes I am amazed at the immaturity of many teachers posting here who seem to be anger-addictive and constantly combative. The mention of the possibility of an open forum was a suggestion that might help to improve the blog. Maybe not, but I thought it was an idea worth mentioning to the blog owner(s) with the thought that they could take it or leave it. Poster: I don't have any "issue" to get over and I don't have any "medicine" to take.
I agree with the above poster. It is embarrassing to be made to look so stupid to people who are not IPS employees and who are supportive of teachers. The suggestion made sense - guess that it why the response to it was such nonsense.
So many of your comments are so far off base as to almost be comical. These 5 weren't fired, just reassigned. And Sullivan is given this power by the turnaround grant (Washington can, and should, do the same). Also, many of you lament the "glory days" of Marshall and I completely disagree. The same students who sit in my room now were woefully underprepared by those who came before me. If these are the products of when Marshall was supposedly "great", then I am glad I was elsewhere.
Marshall is now and has always been just like any other IPS school. Just another warehouse that costs 7 or 8 thousand dollars per kid every year. Everything else being discussed is just more politics, bureaucracy, and failure.
When will IPS finally recognize the validity of the Bell Curve for IQ's? It is like the proverbial elephant that stands in the middle of our living room, but no one will speak about the elephant's presence or even acknowledge the elephant's existence. We all continue to tippy toe around that big old cumbersome elephant of overall IQ's falling below one standard deviation from the norms for African-Americans.
If you remember, when the description of the Turn-Around Grants were described, it said that the principal had the right to fire any teacher he/she deemed nor effective. I knew this spelled trouble for every teacher at John Marshall because I knew Sullivan would exercise that right. By the way, anyone notice the board reports? There is an art teacher " retiring" next week.
When Jews first migrated to this country from Eastern Europe and IQ's were tested they had the lowest IQ's of all groups in the US. B'nai B'rith took on the challenge of supporting education, and within a single generation this same group had the highest IQ in the county.
When we look at IQ or any other testing we also need to look at test bias. I can't believe it when I look at tests to be taken by inner city children of poverty in the middle of the continental US and there are still questions about "beach vacations"...please. And there are still questions on these tests about hoes...now aside from an occasional Amish kid who still uses a hoe...in Indianapolis?
I guess I'd do the same thing. If I'm held responsible for the work people do in my house, then I'd like to know that I could hire the people with whom I could work best.
For instance, if I need to hire folks to clean my house, then I'd rather pick my own housecleaner than call Molly Maids and have them send out anybody they want. (This does not mean I believe teachers are similar to housecleaners.) It's just an example of needing the authority to pick the right person for the right job. Teacher A might be an excellent teacher for students at XYZ School, but not be so effective at School ABC.
IPS has always depended on the HR Department to fill teaching spots with little input from building administrators. Too often teachers' philosophies and principals' philosophies do not match because HR does not take this into account. This is a recipe for disaster for both the teachers and the principals.
I agree with the above poster. One of the reasons my kid's charter school is so excellent is that every teacher is hand picked by the administration there. They must demonstrate a commitment to the curricular model and share the philosophy of the school. When the entire staff believes in the same philosophy, the synergy is amazing.
To the jerk who said that African-Americans scored one standard deviation below blah, blah, blah: get your head out of your ass! Haven't you ever heard of testing bias or circular vs linear language speech patterns? You need to retire, and I pray that none of my students get you! You're mental!!
@ To the jerk: You are making a giant leap. How do you know the person who made the comment that offended you is eligible to retire? Bias is a bad thing in any form.
Pumpkin, you're showing your age, along with your prejudices. The Bell Curve and Banfield have been ripped apart so many times that they're all but useless. If you can find any recent study that supports any of those findings, I'd love to see it. They stopped giving IQ tests to school children decades ago because it wasn't a very good predictor of ability. The Bell Curve wasn't just racists, it was elitist. The whole premise is that rich people are rich because they're smarter and better than poor people. Which is absolute bunk. If you take a privileged 10-year-old and an impoverished 10-year-old and switch them, switch their neighborhoods, their schools, their families, their homes, everything. The impoverished child will do well and the privileged child will do poorly. IQ is one tiny factor in academic and professional success, probably not even in the top 10.
If you don't know many smart African-Americans you need to get out more. And I hate to break it to you, but there are an awful lot of dumb-as-dirt white folks.
I wish that were true, and if it were true, then we'd have no need for classes for students with cognitive disabilities. We'd have no need for school psychologists to administer tests of cognitive ability (still called IQ tests in many circles) to determine correct placement of students in special classes. We'd all be living in Lake Woebegone where ALL the children are above average.
@ Africans are generally stupid Hey I don't know if you went to school but Africans come in all colors, brown, white, black etc. Also African Americans are not African. They are people who are black. They no longer have ancestry in Africa. They don't know anyone in Africa and when asked about the "Mother Land" Whoopey Goldberg says, "What Detroit" You need to go back to school for a while and study African history and realize that MANY white people live in Africa. Also when I was one of those white people living in Africa. I found that Africans in general are pretty savvy about many things. Some of my smartest students are African (They are from Nigeria, Cameroon and The Congo)
A recent PBS program on geneology relating to African/Americans showed that most A/As have chromosones from all over the world - not just the African continent.
As I see it, the main issue is socio-economic injustice. Appalachian-ancestored white people who live on the south side of Indianapolis have major challenges in trying to compete for jobs with the affluent white people who live on the north side of the city. And, their children have major challenges in school.
Specific historical factors working against African/Americans in particular are slavery and discrimination based ridiculously on skin color. I remember Jesse Jackson in a debate with William F. Buckley and Buckley was trying to make the racist and stupid point that other ethnic groups were more successful in life than A/A.s.
Jackson responded: "But there is only one race that survived hundreds of years of slavery - African/Americans."
And then that horrible institution of slavery has been followed by decades of racial discrimination and lack of economic opportunity.
It is amazing to me that African/Americans have been able to overcome these factors to accomplish so much in our society.
In my view, the way to greater educational success for lower-economic-class African/Americans must be paved by greater economic opportunities and less economic racism. This is the same for lower-class Caucasians, Mexican/Americans, etc. etc.
A significant part of my point is that this is as a class struggle as well as a racial struggle for equality.
But the affluent, mostly-white, right-wing politicians in Indiana won't talk about that. Life looks good from a $300,000 house in Zionsville or Carmel.
I am an old, lower-middle-class white person who is not employed by IPS. And I feel just as disenfranchised by the ruling elite of white snobbery in Indianapolis as has been expressed to me by many folks who are members of racial minorities in this city and state.
The Indianapolis and Indiana news media won't touch any of these issues because they are afraid to step on the toes of the wealthy power elite.
Other ethnic groups have been enslaved for hundreds of years and survived. Jesse Jackson needs to do some reading. The Chinese, Greeks, Romans and other ancient groups have lived as slaves for generations.Slavery has existed for generations. Slavery existed in Morrocco until 1969.
It's hard to compare the past because only in the last couple of years has the dominate culture been significantly more advantaged than slaves. For most of history, the majority of people lived lives that were only slightly more advantaged, so it was much easier to assimilate. Right now, if we go by race, the populations that have the most trouble academically are African-Americans and Native Americans (I know we don't see that many Native Americans in Indiana, but from school to poverty to prison, they are statistically very similar) So obviously, it's not just about being poor (immigrants have been coming here poor and bettering themselves for generations). It's about a culture clash. Many Native Americans and African-Americans aren't willing to ingratiate themselves to a culture of bullies in order to succeed by "American" standards. We can say "that doesn't matter anymore" all we want, but it does matter. We wish it didn't matter. And when we look back at American history in another 100-200 years, we will be able to say they assimilated and integrated successfully. But it's not an instantaneous process, assimilating into a enemy culture. It's never been an instantaneous process at any point in history. I would think with your high white IQ you would be able to comprehend that.
I think I agree with the above post, but I think you mean that it takes awhile for a disadvantaged culture to rise as a whole culture. But it's important to point out that African-Americans are rising, just at a staggered pace. Just like with any other race, wealthy people produce wealthy children, middle-class tend to produce middle class children, and poor parents tend to produce poor children. We focus on the fact that there are so many poor African Americans, but I think it's really important to note how many fewer poor African Americans there are compared to 30 years ago, and that there were fewer then than 30 years before that. The trend is moving in the right direction, just not fast enough. But for me, that's one of my goals as a teacher is to speed up that trend.
In my first sentence, I said "only in the last couple of years" and I meant "couple of hundred years." My point is the creation of the middle class and the opportunity for class mobility complicates historical comparisons. It's apples to oranges, if you will.
Also, when I was referring to the instantaneous process, I was indeed referring to the mobility of these groups as a whole. I agree that there is increasing mobility within these groups, even while they remain disadvantaged as a whole.
The real problem is the stupid has become chic. And it is not just an A/A issue, it is an entire IPS thing, kids are afraid to show that they have interests, and the way we are teaching does not encourage interests, years ago, (and they are still alive today) there were kids who were WWII buffs, Civil War Buffs, train buffs, sewing and cooking hobbiests. Ask your students "Do you have any hobbies?" and the answer will probably be no, except for the big three, sports, eating, and social media. The lack of depth and rigor in teaching contributes to this problem.
We were discussing the Italian Renaissance in Art and I said it is amazing that 100 years ago a black man knew more about history than you kids do...and they asked "what do you mean?" and I said "Martin Luther King Jr" was born in 1929, and he was a junior, which means his dad was a senior, and was named by his dad, who must have been born between 1850 and 1875, and he knew and respected Martin Luther, a German priest from the 1500's enough to name his child after him. This was a man who valued education and history...what is happening to our society?
I don't think the problem is our society. It's that education hasn't adapted to changes in society, so its largely irrelevant. I'm not a teacher, but I loathed school as a child and gained very little from it. And yet, now as an adult, I'm more educated than most college graduates. The library and the Internet were better teachers because I could bypass all the boring nonsense that consumed my youth and instead focus my attention on exactly how "the basics" can help me in real life. Our goal is not to help children do well in a traditional school. Our goal is to help children do well in modern society.
Kind of fitting. Perhaps there is a way to utilize the hobby of social networking after all. :) http://www.edweek.org/ew/articles/2010/10/28/10avatar.h30.html?tkn=ROLFiGXcVLt0YIhUcnQ80RI0wy7J5CNR6BGC&cmp=clp-edweek
So you taught yourself to read....amazing...no teacher to thank for you....YOU are a dumb ass....I bet you raised yourself as well...parents didn't do a damn thing for you...again...YOU are a dumb ass!
Actually, my great-grandmother taught me to read but that's neither here nor there. I just said I didn't benefit much from school and gave my opinion of what would help other students who don't seem to be benefiting much from school. Why on earth would that offend you?
I agree with the above poster and I am a retired schoolteacher. I have felt for some time that the way we "do school" is crazy in this age when so much is available for us through the use of technology. Why do we teach meaningless content when what students need to learn is HOW to learn and how to find their passion and pursue it. So much of what we are doing is irrelevant in school. It is also quite telling that the the person reprimanding the self-taught person doesn't possess the ability to disagree without using insults and swearing. If you are a teacher, you aren't doing much to improve the image of educators.
What we "do" in education is often dictated by administrations, unfortunately the present mind-set is "test scores". Once again good test scores should be a by-product of a good education not the goal of a good education. We really need to look at what intellectual skills will be needed in the future, creativity being number one. We are teaching, at best for the present, but we have no idea what the future may bring. Back in the day I didn't take typing, since only secretaries typed, there was no such thing as compute keyboards. Unfortunately we as educators are always between a rock and a hard place on this one, what is relevant to a teenager may not lead to anything...the trick is to establish relevance in your curriculum....and this is not done by saying "I'll be grading this." or "It's on the test." And we need to make as much of what we teach relevant, there is no sense in allowing students to close intellectual doors at such early ages.
All that being said there are some practical things that need to be addressed...mainly the special ed curriculum. I can recall a SPED teacher who was so happy she had finally taught her students to write "footnotes." Now if I need a footnote there is an internet footnote source...and when was the last time you actually needed to write a footnote? These kids needed basic reading skills...not footnotes.
Oh, if it was a best seller, it can't be bullshit. LOL Blacks having high IQ isn't rare at all. American blacks having high IQ is. Which demonstrates the cultural bias of the IQ testing. Does your 1970s bigots address that at all?
Raven's Progressive Matrices Test is probably the best culture-free, non-biased assessment of intellectual ability. It is normed for people from ages 3 up through old age. It is a non-verbal test so that it is valid with people who do not speak English as a first language.
Raven's is excellent because it measures raw cognitive ability based upon innate problem solving skills rather than upon 'learned' material.
Marshall is not in Warren Township. Arlington is not in Lawrence Township. My brothers graduated from Arlington in the mid 60's. I graduated from Marshall in the early 70's. My parents did not move. Both schools are located on the very edges of Center Township. Center Township is not a perfect square. It has irregular borders.
Boy, you got me on that one. Perhaps I should have said the IPS boundaries are not a perfect square. There must be a connection of streets, houses etc. that link Arlington and Marshall to IPS. I don't think those 2 schools are "islands" floating in adjoining townships. This discussion is not the end of the world for me, but I would like for you to educate me. Thanks:)
Do not know who was fired, but I do note that the below positions are now advertised Online for Marshall:
ReplyDeleteLanguage Arts -- middle school
Math -- certified for grades 6-12
Vocal Music -- certified for grades 6-12
Chemistry -- high school, I suppose
Social Studies -- certified in Sociology, World History and US History - high school, I suppose
Name will be in the Board's minutes, next meeting. You never know with IPS if it was for "just cause",
ReplyDeleteLike the School police officer that PIMP White Said "was scared to do his job." But the state did not agree.
ReplyDeleteDoesn't losing 5 certified teachers in the middle of a semester (either by choice or by firing) indicate a poor leader? Sounds like Lil' Napoleon (Sullivan) is doing a bang up job.
ReplyDelete@...indicate a poor leader?...
ReplyDeleteNot necessarily. Perhaps these teachers were on PIPS, had failed to meet their performance improvement goals, and hence were let go. A poor leader would simply keep them until the end of the year and then shuffle them off to another IPS school. If any principal would bother to follow the intricacies of documenting a teacher's performance, it would be Sullivan. I have found him to be a straight-up guy whether you like him or not. Many do not like him, but I suspect he's not a principal simply to make friends or increase the number of his buddies.
Have you ever worked for him?
ReplyDeleteWith him; not for him. I work with people, not for people.
ReplyDeleteHave the test scores increased since Sullivan arrived at JM?
ReplyDeleteNope, same students and parents, its the same failing status. I have a feeling the State of Indiana will take over John Marshall Community School. Good luck as only 49% of the teachers stay and the principals will be fired. I hope the Department of Education marks them as failing administrators, and place them on a PIP.
ReplyDeleteHow many students attend John Marshall?
ReplyDeleteSo much for the grand experiment of having Master Teachers (i.e., merit pay/performance pay) at JMCHS since last year.
ReplyDeleteThe State does not need to take over Marshall. IPS needs to close Marshall and move the students to other IPS high schools. It's too costly to keep Marshall open in light of the fact that it's not performing well, and it's too far from anything that is remotely IPS or Indianapolis, for that matter. It's in the middle of no where and is going no where fast. Close the place ASAP. Let Warren have the students and let Lawrence have the students. Sell the property if a buyer can be found.
The little IPS island that makes up the John Marshall district should not be IPS in the first place. None of it is in center township. The part that is in Warren Township should go to Warren, the part that is in Lawrence, should go to Lawrence. Problem solved for IPS.
ReplyDelete@Have the test scores increased since Sullivan arrived at JM?
ReplyDeleteWell, we'd be comparing apples with oranges regarding test scores from two separate assessment instruments since Sullivan took the reins from interim Principal Phyllis Barnes and before that, Jeff White. Looking at the recently released ECA test scores in Algebra I, Biology I, and English 10, it would be impossible to compare Sullivan's effectiveness with Barnes or Jeff White's. Marshall is now giving ECA's for high school courses whereas Barnes/White were dealing with ISTEP+ for middle school students. Don't think we can compare ISTEP+ with ECA scores. Two entirely different animals, for sure.
Maybe it's now time for the original artist of destruction of Marshall, Prudence Bridgwaters, to step up to bat and 'save' the school. Eugene White evidently thought Bridgwaters was the chosen one to break down the school a couple of years ago, so let's get her back on board to build up the school. What d'ya say, Gene? Or, was Gene's mission simply to destroy a person, Jeff White, and not the school. As I always say, be careful what you wish for. You got your wish, Gene. Jeff White is gone and so are the teachers from during his years of Marshall service; however, you're now left with the same students, the same old neighborhood, the same community, and the same parents. If you are unable to draw a simple inference from this condition, then you really do have your head in the sand.
Cut your losses, IPS School Board and Gene White. Close Marshall and let the students there attend school in Lawrence or Warren.
Marshall had freshmen during the Jeff White/Phyllis Barnes year. The biology teacher quit before Christmas and they never managed to hire another licensed biology teacher. Some of the students did distance learning with a teacher from Northwest.
ReplyDeleteYep, I remember the Biology teacher, Eric Broadus. He was sent to Marshall against his will, never wanted to be there, complained and griped for the few months he was there, and finally finangled a transfer where he ended up in the Ed Center. Saw him at the end of that year walking around schools carrying a clip board as some sort of pseudo-administrator.
ReplyDeleteAll this went down during the time period that Bridgwaters was managing Marshall and Barnes was dispatched as an interim principal. The Biology students ended up with a parade of uncertified subs during the 2nd semester and finally when Barnes was 'told' that Biology was indeed a high school course which required an ECA, she got somebody involved who set up a distance learning module from Northwest for the final two or three weeks of the school year. All the students in Biology I received a C for that course per the Ed Center's decision. What a hot mess of crap! These Ed Center folks don't know high school from middle school from a hole in the ground. The IPS School Board is totally blind to all these back-room shenanigans, I'm convinced.
Everything was fine until Prudence Bridgwaters became Director of Marshall, Arlington, and Howe. The faculty members employed at JM during the 2007-2008 school year had the climate and culture right. Two options exist. Bring back the faculty members from the 2007-2008 school year are close the school. As for Prudence, karma is a beast. We know what happened to her son and how the other son can't get a job on his own.
ReplyDeleteOne son was involved in a murder-suicide and the other son is in charge of cleaning buses within IPS.
ReplyDeleteOption # 2 --- close John Marshall. You cannot recreate the past, even the near past.
ReplyDeleteI was a faculty memeber at JMCHS in 07-08. It was, by far, the best place I have ever worked. The past cannot be recreated but I would be willing to bet that a large percentage of the staff would come back. I would go in a second if they brought people back. Unfortunately, that would amount to IPS admitting they made a mistake and that will NEVER happen. Screw the community and the kids of the east side. Oh well.
ReplyDeleteThe best we can do for the students all over IPS is to try to emulate the successes made there and mvoe forward.
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ReplyDeleteThere are approximately 600 students at John Marshall, grades 7-11.
ReplyDeleteIf what happened at John Marshall was a murder, Prudence would be the shooter, Jane Kendrick the driver, and Eugene White the supplier of the gun. The murder of the school and it's community was due to jealousy.
ReplyDelete600 kids for a building with a Principal, two assistant principals, and a Dean?
ReplyDeleteYou may have strong feelings about P. Bridgewaters, but to bring the tragedy of her son into the discussion is just downright nasty and reprehensible. I know some other people in IPS who have had tragedies like this in their family and it has no bearing on their work. That is a terrible burden for anyone to carry and I don't understand how anyone could be so hardhearted as to bring it up again and relate it to her work. You are one vindictive person and I am no big fan of P. Bridgewaters so don't even go there as to why I am writing this. I am not an administrator and no longer employed by IPS. It just makes me cringe to think that someone could be so callous toward the pain of another person regardless of what you think of that person.
ReplyDeleteBack to the question----
ReplyDelete???Does anyone know or have details about the teachers who were fired at John Marshall????
The comments about Dr. Bridgwater have validity. You do something bad to people, bad will happen to you. Where is the lie in the comments?
ReplyDeletePrudence made an uncomfortable bed. Let her lay in what she created.
ReplyDeleteHow many students are at Northwest?
ReplyDeleteOh man, I hope that anyone who believes that a person can be held responsible for another person's suicide, tragedy, etc. never has to experience that themselves. I don't know how anyone could be so hardhearted to say that - you must feel that you lead a pretty perfect life but that is not what God says - we all fail and I would hope that you would be without sin if you are to cast such stones.
ReplyDeleteSometimes something like this does have bearing. How good a parent you are often correlates to how good a teacher you are, and it isn't what the kid did, it was what the parent did to try and prevent the tragedy. Did she seek psychological help for her child? or did she ignore the signs? And the unemployable kid. did she teach him to behave in a responsible manner, did she imbue him with a work and personal ethic? Why would a teacher do better for students then he or she would do for their own children?
ReplyDeleteWell, I know many good parents who did everything possible to "train up their child" and they still suffered a suicide; perhaps your own children have turned out perfect, if so, you have been given a gift. And, my children are fine so I am not speaking for myself - but I know at least 4 teachers whose children have made the wrong decision and there is NO way I would ever add to their grief by intimating that it was poor parenting skills that led to it. I still say, criticize what Dr. Bridgewaters has done professionally but leave her personal tragedy out of it. NO ONE deserves to see their child end theirs or someone else's life and it is the lowest of low to stoop to bringing this up in the context of the problems in this school.
ReplyDeleteWhat the hell is wrong with you?! Suicide isn't caused by bad parenting!! It's caused by mental illness. The survivors are the victims of suicide, not some kind of criminal. If the blog owner has an ounce of self respect they will remove your disgusting, vile comments. And I'm just a parent, never met this woman. But I've had loved ones commit suicide. And what you're posting is unconscionable. It says far, far more about your moral deficiencies than whoever it is you're trying to harm.
ReplyDeletePrudence brags about rich she has gotten off real estate deals. The reason why her son killed his wife and committed suicide was due to financial hardships. It seems like a good mother would have jumped in save her children. I guess desire to ruin others, ruined her own. Karma is a beast.
ReplyDeleteAbout that karma thing, you better hope and pray you are wrong.
ReplyDeleteI would like to know how many children are at all of the middle-high schools. Oh and would the person who is on here being paid by IPS to change topics stop writing. You are a fool.
ReplyDeleteJM is not the only school far from Center Township. Most of IPS is outside of Center Township. For instance, the northern boundary of Center Township is 38th Street. Broad Ripple HS is in Washington Township. I once looked up the numbers and found that only about 3500 K-12 students live in Center Township. I'd like to see the other townships required to educate all the students who live within their boundaries. IPS would be as small a district as New Palestine!
ReplyDeleteACHS is located in Lawrence Township School District. Arlington is like an island surrounded by Lawrence. The Arlington students don't live near Arlington at all. They are bused in from other areas of the city.
ReplyDeleteWonder why the 600 or so students at Marshall are not reassigned to Arlington? Then IPS could save some major money by closing Marshall? Arlington could easily handle another 600 students.
ReplyDeleteAbout 800 at Northwest, registered that is. Many of them don't actually show up.
ReplyDeleteAnd people quit saying things about Bridgewater's sons. Her own actions are worthy enough to be scrutinized.
I emailed Tony Bennett this thread. Maybe he can intervene to get the old faculty members back.
ReplyDeleteThe past is never there when you try to go back. It exists, but only in memory. To pretend otherwise is to invite a mess.
ReplyDeleteI concur. The leaders, Reading Teachers, Mrs. Denman, Mrs. Scott, and Ms. McPherson would not be there. Close the casket and say "goodbye" to John Marshall.
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ReplyDeleteI hate to state I agree with you. Unless Gene White admits the faults of Prudence Bridgwaters and Jane Kendricks and rehires the teachers and administration from the 2007-2008 school year, you can begin to lower the casket into the grave. 600 students with grades 7-11 is terrible.
I doubt the teachers a JM were fired. Probably just sitting in the "rubber room" AKA district headquarters shuffling papers. Why would IPS actually hold any adults accountable for their performance or remove anyone that is ineffective? Maybe when the district wakes up and realizes their purpose is to educate children, they will change the way things operate.
ReplyDeleteWhen have you not never a real estate person lie about the money they made in real estate deals. Just look at how many are selling their trophy homes now, at reduced? I know of four that are trying to sale and two did short sales. Then three are in foreclosure. Huge Geist homes that are 6,000 to 10,000 square feet, are not a deal for the public. The property taxes are around $5,000 to $9,000 per year, and when Carmel takes over could be double that amount.
ReplyDeleteIdea for blogmaster,
ReplyDeleteWhen topics are posted here, so often people go off on all kinds of tangents having nothing to do with the original topic.
Is there any way to work in (add) an "Open Forum" type of thing here where people can write about any subject (concerning teaching, IPS, education in general, etc., etc.)?
I know people who have other blogs who do this so that the comments made in response to blog posts stay more on the topic.
Maybe it's not possible within the framework of this blog, but I thought I'd toss the idea out there.
A blog is open, take your medication and get over the issue. Just post the problem and then you ideas and issues. I have a problem keeping up with the new Case Conferences from BRHS, Shortridge, and the others. These schools take the students knowing that you can't werivce them in inclusion, (second year) then wait until ADM, and keep the money. Then have the nerve to return them to their home school. Then you have classes that are small with six to seven students, but still are a fialing school with the ECA?
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ReplyDeleteWhen have you not never a real estate person lie about the money they made in real estate deals. Just look at how many are selling their trophy homes now, at reduced? I know of four that are trying to sale and two did short sales. Then three are ..."
Huh???? I hope you are not working as a teacher, although, it might explain some of the students test scores.
"A blog is open, take your medication and get over the issue."
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I'm not a teacher nor an IPS employee, but I am generally supportive of teachers. However, sometimes I am amazed at the immaturity of many teachers posting here who seem to be anger-addictive and constantly combative. The mention of the possibility of an open forum was a suggestion that might help to improve the blog. Maybe not, but I thought it was an idea worth mentioning to the blog owner(s) with the thought that they could take it or leave it. Poster: I don't have any "issue" to get over and I don't have any "medicine" to take.
I agree with the above poster. It is embarrassing to be made to look so stupid to people who are not IPS employees and who are supportive of teachers. The suggestion made sense - guess that it why the response to it was such nonsense.
ReplyDeleteThe two posts above have no idea how a blog functions and the issues. You never know about the medicine, have you had a mental health check-up? Not!
ReplyDeleteThe above post: All I can say is that I hope you aren't a teacher of children.
ReplyDeleteWord is that the teachers were fired by Sullivan.
ReplyDeleteSo many of your comments are so far off base as to almost be comical. These 5 weren't fired, just reassigned. And Sullivan is given this power by the turnaround grant (Washington can, and should, do the same). Also, many of you lament the "glory days" of Marshall and I completely disagree. The same students who sit in my room now were woefully underprepared by those who came before me. If these are the products of when Marshall was supposedly "great", then I am glad I was elsewhere.
ReplyDeleteI hate to tell you but the kids were "woefully unprepared" before they set foot in JMCHS.
ReplyDeleteMarshall is now and has always been just like any other IPS school. Just another warehouse that costs 7 or 8 thousand dollars per kid every year. Everything else being discussed is just more politics, bureaucracy, and failure.
ReplyDeleteGuess which superintendent was having fun with his China doll in Florida?
ReplyDeleteI give, which superintendent was having fun with his China doll in Florida?
ReplyDeleteWhen will IPS finally recognize the validity of the Bell Curve for IQ's? It is like the proverbial elephant that stands in the middle of our living room, but no one will speak about the elephant's presence or even acknowledge the elephant's existence. We all continue to tippy toe around that big old cumbersome elephant of overall IQ's falling below one standard deviation from the norms for African-Americans.
ReplyDeleteIf you remember, when the description of the Turn-Around Grants were described, it said that the principal had the right to fire any teacher he/she deemed nor effective. I knew this spelled trouble for every teacher at John Marshall because I knew Sullivan would exercise that right. By the way, anyone notice the board reports? There is an art teacher " retiring" next week.
ReplyDeleteWhen Jews first migrated to this country from Eastern Europe and IQ's were tested they had the lowest IQ's of all groups in the US. B'nai B'rith took on the challenge of supporting education, and within a single generation this same group had the highest IQ in the county.
ReplyDeleteWhen we look at IQ or any other testing we also need to look at test bias. I can't believe it when I look at tests to be taken by inner city children of poverty in the middle of the continental US and there are still questions about "beach vacations"...please. And there are still questions on these tests about hoes...now aside from an occasional Amish kid who still uses a hoe...in Indianapolis?
"...I knew Sullivan would exercise that right."
ReplyDeleteI guess I'd do the same thing. If I'm held responsible for the work people do in my house, then I'd like to know that I could hire the people with whom I could work best.
For instance, if I need to hire folks to clean my house, then I'd rather pick my own housecleaner than call Molly Maids and have them send out anybody they want. (This does not mean I believe teachers are similar to housecleaners.) It's just an example of needing the authority to pick the right person for the right job. Teacher A might be an excellent teacher for students at XYZ School, but not be so effective at School ABC.
IPS has always depended on the HR Department to fill teaching spots with little input from building administrators. Too often teachers' philosophies and principals' philosophies do not match because HR does not take this into account. This is a recipe for disaster for both the teachers and the principals.
I agree with the above poster. One of the reasons my kid's charter school is so excellent is that every teacher is hand picked by the administration there. They must demonstrate a commitment to the curricular model and share the philosophy of the school. When the entire staff believes in the same philosophy, the synergy is amazing.
ReplyDeleteTo the jerk who said that African-Americans scored one standard deviation below blah, blah, blah: get your head out of your ass! Haven't you ever heard of testing bias or circular vs linear language speech patterns? You need to retire, and I pray that none of my students get you! You're mental!!
ReplyDelete@ To the jerk: You are making a giant leap. How do you know the person who made the comment that offended you is eligible to retire? Bias is a bad thing in any form.
ReplyDeleteHow do we know they are a teacher?
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ReplyDeletePumpkin, you're showing your age, along with your prejudices. The Bell Curve and Banfield have been ripped apart so many times that they're all but useless. If you can find any recent study that supports any of those findings, I'd love to see it. They stopped giving IQ tests to school children decades ago because it wasn't a very good predictor of ability. The Bell Curve wasn't just racists, it was elitist. The whole premise is that rich people are rich because they're smarter and better than poor people. Which is absolute bunk. If you take a privileged 10-year-old and an impoverished 10-year-old and switch them, switch their neighborhoods, their schools, their families, their homes, everything. The impoverished child will do well and the privileged child will do poorly. IQ is one tiny factor in academic and professional success, probably not even in the top 10.
ReplyDeleteIf you don't know many smart African-Americans you need to get out more. And I hate to break it to you, but there are an awful lot of dumb-as-dirt white folks.
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ReplyDeleteI wish that were true, and if it were true, then we'd have no need for classes for students with cognitive disabilities. We'd have no need for school psychologists to administer tests of cognitive ability (still called IQ tests in many circles) to determine correct placement of students in special classes. We'd all be living in Lake Woebegone where ALL the children are above average.
@ Africans are generally stupid
ReplyDeleteHey I don't know if you went to school but Africans come in all colors, brown, white, black etc. Also African Americans are not African. They are people who are black. They no longer have ancestry in Africa. They don't know anyone in Africa and when asked about the "Mother Land" Whoopey Goldberg says, "What Detroit"
You need to go back to school for a while and study African history and realize that MANY white people live in Africa. Also when I was one of those white people living in Africa. I found that Africans in general are pretty savvy about many things. Some of my smartest students are African (They are from Nigeria, Cameroon and The Congo)
A recent PBS program on geneology relating to African/Americans showed that most A/As have chromosones from all over the world - not just the African continent.
ReplyDeleteAs I see it, the main issue is socio-economic injustice. Appalachian-ancestored white people who live on the south side of Indianapolis have major challenges in trying to compete for jobs with the affluent white people who live on the north side of the city. And, their children have major challenges in school.
Specific historical factors working against African/Americans in particular are slavery and discrimination based ridiculously on skin color. I remember Jesse Jackson in a debate with William F. Buckley and Buckley was trying to make the racist and stupid point that other ethnic groups were more successful in life than A/A.s.
Jackson responded: "But there is only one race that survived hundreds of years of slavery - African/Americans."
And then that horrible institution of slavery has been followed by decades of racial discrimination and lack of economic opportunity.
It is amazing to me that African/Americans have been able to overcome these factors to accomplish so much in our society.
In my view, the way to greater educational success for lower-economic-class African/Americans must be paved by greater economic opportunities and less economic racism. This is the same for lower-class Caucasians, Mexican/Americans, etc. etc.
A significant part of my point is that this is as a class struggle as well as a racial struggle for equality.
But the affluent, mostly-white, right-wing politicians in Indiana won't talk about that.
Life looks good from a $300,000 house in Zionsville or Carmel.
I am an old, lower-middle-class white person who is not employed by IPS. And I feel just as disenfranchised by the ruling elite of white snobbery in Indianapolis as has been expressed to me by many folks who are members of racial minorities in this city and state.
The Indianapolis and Indiana news media won't touch any of these issues because they are afraid to step on the toes of the wealthy power elite.
Other ethnic groups have been enslaved for hundreds of years and survived. Jesse Jackson needs to do some reading. The Chinese, Greeks, Romans and other ancient groups have lived as slaves for generations.Slavery has existed for generations. Slavery existed in Morrocco until 1969.
ReplyDeleteIt's hard to compare the past because only in the last couple of years has the dominate culture been significantly more advantaged than slaves. For most of history, the majority of people lived lives that were only slightly more advantaged, so it was much easier to assimilate. Right now, if we go by race, the populations that have the most trouble academically are African-Americans and Native Americans (I know we don't see that many Native Americans in Indiana, but from school to poverty to prison, they are statistically very similar) So obviously, it's not just about being poor (immigrants have been coming here poor and bettering themselves for generations). It's about a culture clash. Many Native Americans and African-Americans aren't willing to ingratiate themselves to a culture of bullies in order to succeed by "American" standards. We can say "that doesn't matter anymore" all we want, but it does matter. We wish it didn't matter. And when we look back at American history in another 100-200 years, we will be able to say they assimilated and integrated successfully. But it's not an instantaneous process, assimilating into a enemy culture. It's never been an instantaneous process at any point in history. I would think with your high white IQ you would be able to comprehend that.
ReplyDeleteI think I agree with the above post, but I think you mean that it takes awhile for a disadvantaged culture to rise as a whole culture. But it's important to point out that African-Americans are rising, just at a staggered pace. Just like with any other race, wealthy people produce wealthy children, middle-class tend to produce middle class children, and poor parents tend to produce poor children. We focus on the fact that there are so many poor African Americans, but I think it's really important to note how many fewer poor African Americans there are compared to 30 years ago, and that there were fewer then than 30 years before that. The trend is moving in the right direction, just not fast enough. But for me, that's one of my goals as a teacher is to speed up that trend.
ReplyDeleteI am the author of "It's hard to compare"
ReplyDeleteIn my first sentence, I said "only in the last couple of years" and I meant "couple of hundred years." My point is the creation of the middle class and the opportunity for class mobility complicates historical comparisons. It's apples to oranges, if you will.
Also, when I was referring to the instantaneous process, I was indeed referring to the mobility of these groups as a whole. I agree that there is increasing mobility within these groups, even while they remain disadvantaged as a whole.
The real problem is the stupid has become chic. And it is not just an A/A issue, it is an entire IPS thing, kids are afraid to show that they have interests, and the way we are teaching does not encourage interests, years ago, (and they are still alive today) there were kids who were WWII buffs, Civil War Buffs, train buffs, sewing and cooking hobbiests. Ask your students "Do you have any hobbies?" and the answer will probably be no, except for the big three, sports, eating, and social media. The lack of depth and rigor in teaching contributes to this problem.
ReplyDeleteWe were discussing the Italian Renaissance in Art and I said it is amazing that 100 years ago a black man knew more about history than you kids do...and they asked "what do you mean?" and I said "Martin Luther King Jr" was born in 1929, and he was a junior, which means his dad was a senior, and was named by his dad, who must have been born between 1850 and 1875, and he knew and respected Martin Luther, a German priest from the 1500's enough to name his child after him. This was a man who valued education and history...what is happening to our society?
I don't think the problem is our society. It's that education hasn't adapted to changes in society, so its largely irrelevant. I'm not a teacher, but I loathed school as a child and gained very little from it. And yet, now as an adult, I'm more educated than most college graduates. The library and the Internet were better teachers because I could bypass all the boring nonsense that consumed my youth and instead focus my attention on exactly how "the basics" can help me in real life. Our goal is not to help children do well in a traditional school. Our goal is to help children do well in modern society.
ReplyDeleteKind of fitting. Perhaps there is a way to utilize the hobby of social networking after all. :)
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So you taught yourself to read....amazing...no teacher to thank for you....YOU are a dumb ass....I bet you raised yourself as well...parents didn't do a damn thing for you...again...YOU are a dumb ass!
ReplyDeleteActually, my great-grandmother taught me to read but that's neither here nor there. I just said I didn't benefit much from school and gave my opinion of what would help other students who don't seem to be benefiting much from school. Why on earth would that offend you?
ReplyDeleteI agree with the above poster and I am a retired schoolteacher. I have felt for some time that the way we "do school" is crazy in this age when so much is available for us through the use of technology. Why do we teach meaningless content when what students need to learn is HOW to learn and how to find their passion and pursue it. So much of what we are doing is irrelevant in school. It is also quite telling that the the person reprimanding the self-taught person doesn't possess the ability to disagree without using insults and swearing. If you are a teacher, you aren't doing much to improve the image of educators.
ReplyDeleteWhat we "do" in education is often dictated by administrations, unfortunately the present mind-set is "test scores". Once again good test scores should be a by-product of a good education not the goal of a good education. We really need to look at what intellectual skills will be needed in the future, creativity being number one. We are teaching, at best for the present, but we have no idea what the future may bring. Back in the day I didn't take typing, since only secretaries typed, there was no such thing as compute keyboards. Unfortunately we as educators are always between a rock and a hard place on this one, what is relevant to a teenager may not lead to anything...the trick is to establish relevance in your curriculum....and this is not done by saying "I'll be grading this." or "It's on the test." And we need to make as much of what we teach relevant, there is no sense in allowing students to close intellectual doors at such early ages.
ReplyDeleteAll that being said there are some practical things that need to be addressed...mainly the special ed curriculum. I can recall a SPED teacher who was so happy she had finally taught her students to write "footnotes." Now if I need a footnote there is an internet footnote source...and when was the last time you actually needed to write a footnote? These kids needed basic reading skills...not footnotes.
Oh, if it was a best seller, it can't be bullshit. LOL Blacks having high IQ isn't rare at all. American blacks having high IQ is. Which demonstrates the cultural bias of the IQ testing. Does your 1970s bigots address that at all?
ReplyDeleteRaven's Progressive Matrices Test is probably the best culture-free, non-biased assessment of intellectual ability. It is normed for people from ages 3 up through old age. It is a non-verbal test so that it is valid with people who do not speak English as a first language.
ReplyDeleteRaven's is excellent because it measures raw cognitive ability based upon innate problem solving skills rather than upon 'learned' material.
Marshall is not in Warren Township. Arlington is not in Lawrence Township. My brothers graduated from Arlington in the mid 60's. I graduated from Marshall in the early 70's. My parents did not move. Both schools are located on the very edges of Center Township. Center Township is not a perfect square. It has irregular borders.
ReplyDeleteYou're confused. The district lines aren't squares. The township lines are.
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Check this out. First click on only the township lines and unclick everything else. Then click on only the "schools" lines.
Scratch that. That link works for the township boundaries, but not for the district boundaries.
ReplyDeleteUse this for the school boundaries. http://ipsgis.ips.k12.in.us/ks/
As you can see, there is quite a bit of the IPS district that is located outside of Center Township.
Boy, you got me on that one. Perhaps I should have said the IPS boundaries are not a perfect square. There must be a connection of streets, houses etc. that link Arlington and Marshall to IPS. I don't think those 2 schools are "islands" floating in adjoining townships. This discussion is not the end of the world for me, but I would like for you to educate me. Thanks:)
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