Unless, of course, IPS decided to open a few of the vacant school buildings and turn them into 'residence halls' for new teachers. Offer the newly hired teachers very inexpensive living quarters, and you might get some interested rookie teachers.
Bet that is just another crazy rumor..where did it come from. I live in IPS district but didn't send my kids to IPS - only because I wanted them to have Bible as part of the curriculum...next thing, you will be saying that all IPS teachers have to send their kids to IPS schools. Offer Bible and I would think about it...
Offer bible...PLEASE!!!! Are you totally unaware of the constitution and Bill of Rights? However, I am curious. Which Bible would you select? Obviously your BIBLE as it is the only true version, right?
Today I watched 37 students walk out of Tech's back gate between 7:30 am and 7:40 am. One group had 18 students in it. As far as I am concerned, the state should start taking money back from the school system when students are absent if they cannot do a better job managing attendance.
Heard a crazy rumor that if the state takes over Tech it will attempt to get a Charter. Please tell me what the inside scoop is at Tech...I know there are folks there in classes this week.
I am not a teacher; I'm just live in the area and pay taxes. Watching students walk off the campus helps me put all the rest of the issues in perspective.
Milwaukee Public Schools used to require all teachers to live in the district. If they would move into the district....they paid off their student loans. They did it to increase the income of the inner city and to draw in young couples who would buy homes cheap and renovate them. I don't know if they still do it.
Of our entire southside staff, the only person who resides in IPS's district is our Parent Liaison. I'm in Franklin TWP, two educators are in Warren, and the other three pay Pike taxes.
If only her child is taught the bible, who teaches it? Doesn't she belong to some kind of house or worship that could do that? Isn't that what church, sunday school, and bible school is all about? With all of the religous nuts running around and molesting children, I don't want my children exposed to them.
Um, maybe you haven't read the news, but there are people molesting children in the public schools too! And you're not even making sense. You think parochial schools are unconstitutional?! Really?!
No, you have twisted logic. Parochial schools are religious institutions are free to teach whatever religious philosophy. PUBLIC schools are not to be involved in religious instruction. Again I ask, doesn/t this poster belong to some faith that will present the teachings of that faith? That is not the role of the public schools. That Supreme Court has spoken on that over and over again. \
Yes, Eugene White and Prudence Bridgewaters appear to have failed their legal responsiblities in reporting a case of molesting. It is not costing IPS millions due to their mishandling.
Nobody said it was the role of public schools to teach religion. The poster simply explained why her kids don't attend IPS and how trying to force teachers to live in the district would be as ridiculous as forcing all IPS teachers to send their kids to IPS.
Kids are far more statistically likely to be abused in a public school than a religious school (not because religious schools are holier, but because there are more people at public schools and therefore, the odds of an issue increase). It's horrible that crimes against children happen at all, but we don't need to perpetuate untruths in order to oppose abuse.
Has anyone heard about our health insurance? I received from Indiana HRA Third-Party Administrator titled Indiana VEBA HRA plan. I have a feeling IPS let us go on the state health insurance plan or rather sold us up the river!
No, my point about why I didn't send my children to IPS when I was teaching in IPS and lived in the district is that I wanted my kids to have a Christian education. Therefore, since the public school could not teach the Bible, I understood that I would have to send them to a parochial school. I was criticized for not sending my children to IPS and that seemed strange considering the fact that I was not criticizing the public school for not teaching the Bible. I understand the separation of church and state and my critics needed to understand that I saw my children's education as more than a once a week thing on Sundays and wanted every subject (for instance, Science, to be taught with the viewpoint that creation was one option) from more than a secular stance. I made the comment about the public school teaching the Bible rather tongue-in-cheek to show why it did not make sense for me to be called out for not supporting the public schools. I felt like I was supporting the public schools by being a hard-working teacher when I could have taught elsewhere. I felt IPS was a place where I could make a "difference" but was not willing to compromise on what I wanted my children to be taught.
Dr. Jackie Greenwood who has been employed by IPS for at least 40 years sent one of her sons to Heritage Christian High School. Nobody questioned her...
I am sorry that your religious institutions are unable to teach your religious beliefs. Just don't whine that YOUR beliefs are not being foisted on other people's children.
To the teacher who sent her kids to parochial school, I think most people understood what you were talking about. We have a troll here who likes to pick arguments with people, but I don't think you were at all unclear. And, of course, your wish to send your kids to a religious school should be respected just as much, if not more, than someone who sends their child to a public school. After all, you're paying taxes AND tuition. Why anyone would find fault with that is beyond me!
"Being a religious school or church does not make you anymore (sic) of a Christian anymore (sic) that (sic) being in a garage makes you a car!!"
Perhaps. But you could say that about any school, that being in a school doesn't mean you're being educated or that being employed as a teacher doesn't necessarily mean that any learning is going on in your presence. That doesn't mean that people shouldn't send their kids to school.
I didn't get the impression that the trollish posts were from the ed center. I think there's a good possibility they are from the blog owner in retaliation for people mocking the rumor-mongering of the OP. I think the blog owner gets really irritated that people don't take this kind of thing more seriously. (I'm sure there are people from the ed center who do post here; I'm just referring to the trollish comments on this thread as well as the "what do you think" thread. I think those are from the blog owner)
Indianapolis - IPS students will get a shorter summer break as part of a big schedule change.
The school board approved what they call a "balanced schedule" Tuesday night. That means summer break will be eight weeks instead of ten and students will get two-week breaks in October and March.
There will also be a week off at Thanksgiving and two weeks at Christmas, but the number of school days stays the same at 180.
"In this situation, if you make an F, we have a chance to get you to make it up. You're going to have ten days. You're going to have to work at turning that F around," said IPS Superintendent Dr. Eugene White.
During the breaks in October and March, students will have a chance to come to school for six hours for programs like learning to play chess and ballroom dancing.
@During the breaks in October and March, students will have a chance to come to school for six hours for programs like learning to play chess and ballroom dancing.
Oh, come on now. We are supposed to enrich students with chess or ballroom dancing??? Give us a break, pleeez. Maybe the School Board will hire some Social Activity Directors from a cruise line for chess, board games, shuffleboard, and ballroom dancing. What fun!
I am sure that we have created positions for said "Social Activity Directors" (two posts up). I think Basil Mawby was one, as is Eugene's son currently.
"just don't whine that your beliefs are not being foisted on others....."
You still don't get it...I was NOT whining about that...I recognize that I cannot expect that and wouldn't want the public school teaching religion -- I was simply making the point that I should not be criticized for sending my kids to a parochial school even if I am teaching in a public school because of my beliefs...
also, I do not believe that going to a Christian school makes one a Christian; but I believe that it is my right to have my kids' education "wrapped" in a philosophy that I believe is historically accurate and will contribute to their intellectual and spiritual growth...
Yes, I agree that you have the right to send your child where you wish and you should do to. I was attempting to respond to your allegation that you did not send your child to IPS because they did not teach the Bible. My response may have been worded badly but I was trying to say that it is not the legal role of a public school. IPS should not be deemed unworthy for not teaching something that they legally cannot teach.
And I am trying to say that I know it is not the role of the public school to teach the Bible and I do not deem them unworthy because they do not teach the Bible so, if I want that for my child, then I must send them someplace that can do that and I should not be seen as not supporting IPS or as thinking it is inferior or having to justify why I don't send them to the public school. That is a position I have been put in as a teacher in IPS on occasion. So, I guess we agree now that I can use a parochial school and still support public education. O.K.?
Zero chance of that happening. They have a tough enough time recruiting and keeping decent teachers as it is.
ReplyDeleteDoes anyone know the percentage of IPS teachers who live within the district boundaries now? I'd guess less than 20%.
ReplyDeleteThat will never happen. Not enough teachers as is, regardless of their residence.
ReplyDeleteUnless, of course, IPS decided to open a few of the vacant school buildings and turn them into 'residence halls' for new teachers. Offer the newly hired teachers very inexpensive living quarters, and you might get some interested rookie teachers.
ReplyDeleteBet that is just another crazy rumor..where did it come from. I live in IPS district but didn't send my kids to IPS - only because I wanted them to have Bible as part of the curriculum...next thing, you will be saying that all IPS teachers have to send their kids to IPS schools. Offer Bible and I would think about it...
ReplyDeleteOffer bible...PLEASE!!!! Are you totally unaware of the constitution and Bill of Rights?
ReplyDeleteHowever, I am curious. Which Bible would you select? Obviously your BIBLE as it is the only true version, right?
The poster did not say everyone should learn about the bible, only her child. The constitution is all about freedom of religion, no?
ReplyDeleteIt's a false rumor. There are no such plans being drafted.
ReplyDeleteToday I watched 37 students walk out of Tech's back gate between 7:30 am and 7:40 am. One group had 18 students in it. As far as I am concerned, the state should start taking money back from the school system when students are absent if they cannot do a better job managing attendance.
ReplyDeleteHeard a crazy rumor that if the state takes over Tech it will attempt to get a Charter. Please tell me what the inside scoop is at Tech...I know there are folks there in classes this week.
ReplyDeleteI am not a teacher; I'm just live in the area and pay taxes. Watching students walk off the campus helps me put all the rest of the issues in perspective.
ReplyDeleteMilwaukee Public Schools used to require all teachers to live in the district. If they would move into the district....they paid off their student loans. They did it to increase the income of the inner city and to draw in young couples who would buy homes cheap and renovate them. I don't know if they still do it.
ReplyDeleteNow offering an INCENTIVE for teachers to live in the district makes sense.
ReplyDeleteOf our entire southside staff, the only person who resides in IPS's district is our Parent Liaison. I'm in Franklin TWP, two educators are in Warren, and the other three pay Pike taxes.
ReplyDeleteGood luck with that plan!
If only her child is taught the bible, who teaches it? Doesn't she belong to some kind of house or worship that could do that? Isn't that what church, sunday school, and bible school is all about? With all of the religous nuts running around and molesting children, I don't want my children exposed to them.
ReplyDeleteUm, maybe you haven't read the news, but there are people molesting children in the public schools too! And you're not even making sense. You think parochial schools are unconstitutional?! Really?!
ReplyDeleteNo, you have twisted logic. Parochial schools are religious institutions are free to teach whatever religious philosophy. PUBLIC schools are not to be involved in religious instruction. Again I ask, doesn/t this poster belong to some faith that will present the teachings of that faith? That is not the role of the public schools. That Supreme Court has spoken on that over and over again. \
ReplyDeleteYes, Eugene White and Prudence Bridgewaters appear to have failed their legal responsiblities in reporting a case of molesting. It is not costing IPS millions due to their mishandling.
Nobody said it was the role of public schools to teach religion. The poster simply explained why her kids don't attend IPS and how trying to force teachers to live in the district would be as ridiculous as forcing all IPS teachers to send their kids to IPS.
ReplyDeleteKids are far more statistically likely to be abused in a public school than a religious school (not because religious schools are holier, but because there are more people at public schools and therefore, the odds of an issue increase). It's horrible that crimes against children happen at all, but we don't need to perpetuate untruths in order to oppose abuse.
ReplyDeleteHas anyone heard about our health insurance? I received from Indiana HRA Third-Party Administrator titled Indiana VEBA HRA plan. I have a feeling IPS let us go on the state health insurance plan or rather sold us up the river!
ReplyDeleteNo, my point about why I didn't send my children to IPS when I was teaching in IPS and lived in the district is that I wanted my kids to have a Christian education. Therefore, since the public school could not teach the Bible, I understood that I would have to send them to a parochial school. I was criticized for not sending my children to IPS and that seemed strange considering the fact that I was not criticizing the public school for not teaching the Bible. I understand the separation of church and state and my critics needed to understand that I saw my children's education as more than a once a week thing on Sundays and wanted every subject (for instance, Science, to be taught with the viewpoint that creation was one option) from more than a secular stance. I made the comment about the public school teaching the Bible rather tongue-in-cheek to show why it did not make sense for me to be called out for not supporting the public schools. I felt like I was supporting the public schools by being a hard-working teacher when I could have taught elsewhere. I felt IPS was a place where I could make a "difference" but was not willing to compromise on what I wanted my children to be taught.
ReplyDeleteDr. Jackie Greenwood who has been employed by IPS for at least 40 years sent one of her sons to Heritage Christian High School. Nobody questioned her...
ReplyDeleteI am sorry that your religious institutions are unable to teach your religious beliefs. Just don't whine that YOUR beliefs are not being foisted on other people's children.
ReplyDeleteBeing in a religious school or church does not make you anymore of a Christian anymore that being in a garage makes you a car!!
ReplyDeleteTo the teacher who sent her kids to parochial school, I think most people understood what you were talking about. We have a troll here who likes to pick arguments with people, but I don't think you were at all unclear. And, of course, your wish to send your kids to a religious school should be respected just as much, if not more, than someone who sends their child to a public school. After all, you're paying taxes AND tuition. Why anyone would find fault with that is beyond me!
ReplyDelete"Being a religious school or church does not make you anymore (sic) of a Christian anymore (sic) that (sic) being in a garage makes you a car!!"
ReplyDeletePerhaps. But you could say that about any school, that being in a school doesn't mean you're being educated or that being employed as a teacher doesn't necessarily mean that any learning is going on in your presence. That doesn't mean that people shouldn't send their kids to school.
Did you hear? IPS is going to require all staff members to adopt a purple dancing monkey!
ReplyDeleteKeep in mind, the statement above has just as much credibility as the main article.
And the rumor mill churns...
@And the rumor mill churns...
ReplyDeleteAnd, Dr. White will donate $21,000 from his own pocket to pick up the cost for the Tech Cheer Squad to participate in the nationals in Orlando.
And, all Ed Center officials earning more than $100,000 will agree to a 10% pay cut to offset any future funding losses.
And, Ed Center trolls will no longer post anonymously on this blog.
I didn't get the impression that the trollish posts were from the ed center. I think there's a good possibility they are from the blog owner in retaliation for people mocking the rumor-mongering of the OP. I think the blog owner gets really irritated that people don't take this kind of thing more seriously. (I'm sure there are people from the ed center who do post here; I'm just referring to the trollish comments on this thread as well as the "what do you think" thread. I think those are from the blog owner)
ReplyDeleteFrom WTHR Online:
ReplyDeleteUpdated: Nov 23, 2010 10:15 PM EST
Indianapolis - IPS students will get a shorter summer break as part of a big schedule change.
The school board approved what they call a "balanced schedule" Tuesday night. That means summer break will be eight weeks instead of ten and students will get two-week breaks in October and March.
There will also be a week off at Thanksgiving and two weeks at Christmas, but the number of school days stays the same at 180.
"In this situation, if you make an F, we have a chance to get you to make it up. You're going to have ten days. You're going to have to work at turning that F around," said IPS Superintendent Dr. Eugene White.
During the breaks in October and March, students will have a chance to come to school for six hours for programs like learning to play chess and ballroom dancing.
The new schedule takes effect next school year.
Indiana School Data Released Today:
ReplyDeleteThere are 21 individual Indiana public schools which have been on Academic Probation for 5 consecutive years.
Of that 21, seven (7) are IPS schools.
Six Indiana public schools have been on Academic Probation for 4 consecutive years. Three out of those six schools are IPS schools.
Link to IDOE data released today:
Five years on Probation --- http://www.doe.in.gov/pl221/2010/Probation_Year_Five.xls
Four years on Probation --- http://www.doe.in.gov/pl221/2010/Probation_Year_Four.xls
@During the breaks in October and March, students will have a chance to come to school for six hours for programs like learning to play chess and ballroom dancing.
ReplyDeleteOh, come on now. We are supposed to enrich students with chess or ballroom dancing??? Give us a break, pleeez. Maybe the School Board will hire some Social Activity Directors from a cruise line for chess, board games, shuffleboard, and ballroom dancing. What fun!
free babysitting service with perks!
ReplyDeleteI am sure that we have created positions for said "Social Activity Directors" (two posts up). I think Basil Mawby was one, as is Eugene's son currently.
ReplyDelete"just don't whine that your beliefs are not being foisted on others....."
ReplyDeleteYou still don't get it...I was NOT whining about that...I recognize that I cannot expect that and wouldn't want the public school teaching religion -- I was simply making the point that I should not be criticized for sending my kids to a parochial school even if I am teaching in a public school because of my beliefs...
also, I do not believe that going to a Christian school makes one a Christian; but I believe that it is my right to have my kids' education "wrapped" in a philosophy that I believe is historically accurate and will contribute to their intellectual and spiritual growth...
so, enough of that topic...
Yes, I agree that you have the right to send your child where you wish and you should do to. I was attempting to respond to your allegation that you did not send your child to IPS because they did not teach the Bible. My response may have been worded badly but I was trying to say that it is not the legal role of a public school. IPS should not be deemed unworthy for not teaching something that they legally cannot teach.
ReplyDeleteAnd I am trying to say that I know it is not the role of the public school to teach the Bible and I do not deem them unworthy because they do not teach the Bible so, if I want that for my child, then I must send them someplace that can do that and I should not be seen as not supporting IPS or as thinking it is inferior or having to justify why I don't send them to the public school. That is a position I have been put in as a teacher in IPS on occasion. So, I guess we agree now that I can use a parochial school and still support public education. O.K.?
ReplyDeleteYes, we agree. We don't need to degrade IPS for you to exercise you right to send your child where you wish.
ReplyDelete