I am all for it. I think more, short breaks in the year will keep children's learnin' inside their heads. We spend so much time at the beginning of the year review and cramming what they forgot back into their little brains. Parents may complain at first but they'll get used to it. Remember what people said about the uniforms? It would drive people away. It hasn't. Poor principals and bad media image have done that.
Too many initiatives are brought to the IPS table at the same time and then removed from the table before they can possibly have the requisite time to bring about lasting improvement. The Ed Center continues to use new initiatives like decorations for a Christmas tree. Pick one or two and stick with them for at least 3 years!
Year round schooling as a fix-it initiative has little to no research to prove that it's effective or ineffective. Its perceived effectiveness is based on hunches or 'I think it's a good idea' type comments from well intentioned people.
Year Round Schools Research ____________________________________________
The academic improvements are questionable, while some schools may had some improvement with year-round schooling, other schools found no academic improvement. A 2007 study by a sociologist, Paul von Hippel, from Ohio State University, found that students in schools with year round school schedules don’t learn more in a year in math or reading than schools in the traditional nine-months calendar settings. “We found that students in year-round schools learn more during the summer, when others are on vacation, but they seem to learn less than other children during the rest of the year,” said Paul von Hippel. Year-Round Schools Don’t Boost Learning, Study Finds.
Schools in Jefferson County, Colorado abandoned the year-round calendar in 1989 after 13 years of year-round operation in approximately 50 district schools because the district reports no educational improvement or increased test scores. Colorado County Drops Year-Round Schooling.
Prince William County, Virginia returned to a traditional schooling after 9 years of year-round school schedule because of little academic improvement, few cost benefits and parents protest. “Overall, no evidence was found that there is any significant difference in the education being received on the 45/15 plan as compared to the traditional calendar.”, Prince William County Schools Technical Report. BCTF Research Report.
“Moreover, review of reports from Houston, Texas, Oakland and Ohio reveal that year-round education does not help and (as found with statistically significant results in Oakland) may even hurt disadvantaged students.” said Dr. Shields. Year-Round Education: Is it Worth the Hassle?
Do you remember when they announced this on the news. Ann Wilkins said, "This will give teachers time to do remediation for students that don't understand concepts." My question is what teacher will do that with out getting paid. I do many things after school, but I don't do anything during my summer break. I also think that it won't help students from getting "Brain Drain." These kids still get 2 or 3 weeks off which is long enough to forget even more! I believe it will be worse because we'll have to continue to reteach so often.
I've been thinking about this for some time now, and I am wondering about the money angle. As I understand the year round model, during the "three weeks off, students who failed are supposed to be remediated for at least two weeks." Where is the money coming from for remediation? IPS is supposed to be facing declining budgets, is there enough federal grants or other monies to cover this? Will the union membership stand up against this, or will Ann sign off on some MOU that says we support this as long at there is some gurantee of paid remediation. Also, what about the ten month employees, most of them get a second job during the summer to cover their bills(at least the ones that I talk to do) I don't think that there are many second jobs out there that will let you work for only three weeks out of every twelve weeks, and I don't think that there are enough IPS kids to provide day care jobs for all of those ten month employees. The money issues are really big here. I would like to hear what you guys think..
Congrats to the 2 school board members who voted NO on Eugene White's contract. He is the one who comes up with these behind closed doors hair brained schemes. One more school board election and there will be the 4 votes to make the BIG change at the top.
The year round schedule works in schools that use a developmental approach. These schools teach kids how to learn, then provide the right mix of freedom and structure so kids can learn what they want. In schools where kids are told what they have to know and when they have to know it, the longer, more frequent breaks are a hindrance. We like the year round schedule at our kids' school. The only hurdle is child care during the breaks. The families with lots of money hire a nanny or take a long vacation from work. The families with less money pay for the day camp at the school. The families with no money park their kids in front of the TV and hope for the best. I think that schools that use the directive models, and also have a high proportion of poor kids who spend their school breaks in front of the tv, will do better with a calendar that has as few breaks as possible. But good luck staffing schools 48 weeks a year.
@"I think that schools that use the directive models, and also have a high proportion of poor kids who spend their school breaks in front of the tv, will do better with a calendar that has as few breaks as possible."
Again, a supporter of year round schooling with no research whatsoever to back up their support. Saying "I think . . ." is not proof that achievement levels will increase. Just another person's hunch.
Speaking of Linda Davis brings to mind Broad Ripple. What's happened to the vocal BR folks from a couple of days ago who were 'hot to trot' to get rid of Mrs. Render? Their silence came about mighty quick.
Let me get this right. Our buildings are in need of extensive updating, our students lack family support, school budgets are being slashed to the bone nationwide, and IPS gets the bright idea to extend their school year. So instead of getting back in the groove one time, now we do it every nine weeks. That is not going to solve our problem.
No, you and I both know it's not going to solve any problem. But, it looks good to the media and to the State and to the Feds. It appears that IPS is taking steps to REFORM the district. It's nothing more than fulfilling another requirement for 'change/transformation' mandated by the Feds to keep on getting the big money.
OK, the way this is going to be set up. It will take 20 days more away from my own family. Will teachers be compensated accordingly for having to put up more with Eugene and the idiot administrators? I don't mind the students. I want compensated more for having to listen to those who have no clue.
I have heard that title funds will be used to pay for the weeks of remediation, leaving classroom teachers and students without that resource during the "regular" school year.... Anyone else heard about this??? Additionally, I like how they point out that child care may be a challenge for some of the parents in the district..... What about the teachers???? Are they going to pay me more to make up for weeks I normally don't have to pay for in the summer?
Since you will still be working your contracted 190 days my guess is there will be no increase in salary. Your day care provider will have to give you the weeks off as they occur.
I do not know of a provider that is going to give 3 free weeks every 9. I have been lucky to find quality providers that offer me a break in the summer because they are able to pick up additional children for the 10 week break in the summer. It is unrealistic to expect them to do otherwise, they need to support their family as well. So, as I said earlier, my family is going to be out more money for child care expenses. I just think that needs to be mentioned, as I am sure I am not the only one in this position.
Here is a novel idea, used else where for years and years, day care in schools, it is a class for students and both students and faculty can use it. Think about it, it would support lots of kids who have kids....and let them finish their high school education. Instead of adding more obstacles we could remove one...best interest of kids, IPS...not going to happen.
I be an administrator soon, me be finished with IWU program and making money soon, me be working the summer days, money, money, and I can be so hatefull to teachers and students.
I don't know anything about IWU, but some of the alternative-type programs get an undeserved bad rap. For example, Western Governor's University is an online university, but it's much more challenging than IU School of Education.
My sources say - Yes,Title funds will be used to pay for one week of full day remediation to all students who fail. Teachers paid with Title funds will be returned to the classroom, except for Kindergarten, who are already in the classroom. IPS will need to cut $20 million for next year. RIFs are coming and going up to the 5 year teacher mark.
You think losing 900 students this year was bad? See what happens if they switch to year-round.
ReplyDeleteI am all for it. I think more, short breaks in the year will keep children's learnin' inside their heads. We spend so much time at the beginning of the year review and cramming what they forgot back into their little brains. Parents may complain at first but they'll get used to it. Remember what people said about the uniforms? It would drive people away. It hasn't. Poor principals and bad media image have done that.
ReplyDeleteToo many initiatives are brought to the IPS table at the same time and then removed from the table before they can possibly have the requisite time to bring about lasting improvement. The Ed Center continues to use new initiatives like decorations for a Christmas tree. Pick one or two and stick with them for at least 3 years!
ReplyDeleteYear round schooling as a fix-it initiative has little to no research to prove that it's effective or ineffective. Its perceived effectiveness is based on hunches or 'I think it's a good idea' type comments from well intentioned people.
Year Round Schools Research
ReplyDelete____________________________________________
The academic improvements are questionable, while some schools may had some improvement with year-round schooling, other schools found no academic improvement. A 2007 study by a sociologist, Paul von Hippel, from Ohio State University, found that students in schools with year round school schedules don’t learn more in a year in math or reading than schools in the traditional nine-months calendar settings. “We found that students in year-round schools learn more during the summer, when others are on vacation, but they seem to learn less than other children during the rest of the year,” said Paul von Hippel. Year-Round Schools Don’t Boost Learning, Study Finds.
Schools in Jefferson County, Colorado abandoned the year-round calendar in 1989 after 13 years of year-round operation in approximately 50 district schools because the district reports no educational improvement or increased test scores. Colorado County Drops Year-Round Schooling.
Prince William County, Virginia returned to a traditional schooling after 9 years of year-round school schedule because of little academic improvement, few cost benefits and parents protest. “Overall, no evidence was found that there is any significant difference in the education being received on the 45/15 plan as compared to the traditional calendar.”, Prince William County Schools Technical Report. BCTF Research Report.
“Moreover, review of reports from Houston, Texas, Oakland and Ohio reveal that year-round education does not help and (as found with statistically significant results in Oakland) may even hurt disadvantaged students.” said Dr. Shields. Year-Round Education: Is it Worth the Hassle?
Do you remember when they announced this on the news. Ann Wilkins said, "This will give teachers time to do remediation for students that don't understand concepts." My question is what teacher will do that with out getting paid. I do many things after school, but I don't do anything during my summer break.
ReplyDeleteI also think that it won't help students from getting "Brain Drain." These kids still get 2 or 3 weeks off which is long enough to forget even more! I believe it will be worse because we'll have to continue to reteach so often.
No to year around school.
ReplyDeleteI think Mary Louise needs to eat less.
ReplyDeleteYear round school would sure mess up earning college credits many of us need to get during the summer.
ReplyDeleteI've been thinking about this for some time now, and I am wondering about the money angle. As I understand the year round model, during the "three weeks off, students who failed are supposed to be remediated for at least two weeks." Where is the money coming from for remediation? IPS is supposed to be facing declining budgets, is there enough federal grants or other monies to cover this? Will the union membership stand up against this, or will Ann sign off on some MOU that says we support this as long at there is some gurantee of paid remediation. Also, what about the ten month employees, most of them get a second job during the summer to cover their bills(at least the ones that I talk to do) I don't think that there are many second jobs out there that will let you work for only three weeks out of every twelve weeks, and I don't think that there are enough IPS kids to provide day care jobs for all of those ten month employees. The money issues are really big here. I would like to hear what you guys think..
ReplyDeleteCongrats to the 2 school board members who voted NO on Eugene White's contract. He is the one who comes up with these behind closed doors hair brained schemes. One more school board election and there will be the 4 votes to make the BIG change at the top.
ReplyDeleteNO...I don't want it!
ReplyDeleteThe year round schedule works in schools that use a developmental approach. These schools teach kids how to learn, then provide the right mix of freedom and structure so kids can learn what they want. In schools where kids are told what they have to know and when they have to know it, the longer, more frequent breaks are a hindrance.
ReplyDeleteWe like the year round schedule at our kids' school. The only hurdle is child care during the breaks. The families with lots of money hire a nanny or take a long vacation from work. The families with less money pay for the day camp at the school. The families with no money park their kids in front of the TV and hope for the best.
I think that schools that use the directive models, and also have a high proportion of poor kids who spend their school breaks in front of the tv, will do better with a calendar that has as few breaks as possible. But good luck staffing schools 48 weeks a year.
@"I think that schools that use the directive models, and also have a high proportion of poor kids who spend their school breaks in front of the tv, will do better with a calendar that has as few breaks as possible."
ReplyDeleteAgain, a supporter of year round schooling with no research whatsoever to back up their support. Saying "I think . . ." is not proof that achievement levels will increase. Just another person's hunch.
@ "Just another person's hunch"
ReplyDeleteThis is the forum for hunches. You want research, go to a conference.
I propose a Hot Pocket eating contest between Linda Davis and Mary Louise........
ReplyDeleteSpeaking of Linda Davis brings to mind Broad Ripple. What's happened to the vocal BR folks from a couple of days ago who were 'hot to trot' to get rid of Mrs. Render? Their silence came about mighty quick.
ReplyDeleteLOL Mighty quick? The thread is the longest thread in the history of this blog. :)
ReplyDeleteSadly the police officer who was killed this morning is the husband of one our IPS teachers. My thoughts and prayers are with her.
ReplyDeleteShe will be in my thoughts and prayers. Thank you for telling us. Sad news such as this makes all our complaints pale in comparison, doesn't it?
ReplyDeleteLet me get this right. Our buildings are in need of extensive updating, our students lack family support, school budgets are being slashed to the bone nationwide, and IPS gets the bright idea to extend their school year. So instead of getting back in the groove one time, now we do it every nine weeks. That is not going to solve our problem.
ReplyDeleteNo, you and I both know it's not going to solve any problem. But, it looks good to the media and to the State and to the Feds. It appears that IPS is taking steps to REFORM the district. It's nothing more than fulfilling another requirement for 'change/transformation' mandated by the Feds to keep on getting the big money.
ReplyDeleteMary Louise is not a very smart person. 2 more years.
ReplyDeleteWith the loss of 900 more kids, the Titanic is not sinking, it just took a nose dive.
ReplyDeleteOK, the way this is going to be set up. It will take 20 days more away from my own family. Will teachers be compensated accordingly for having to put up more with Eugene and the idiot administrators? I don't mind the students. I want compensated more for having to listen to those who have no clue.
ReplyDeleteWait a minute, are they lengthening the school year, or just changing the calendar to year round school?
ReplyDeleteI have heard that title funds will be used to pay for the weeks of remediation, leaving classroom teachers and students without that resource during the "regular" school year.... Anyone else heard about this??? Additionally, I like how they point out that child care may be a challenge for some of the parents in the district..... What about the teachers???? Are they going to pay me more to make up for weeks I normally don't have to pay for in the summer?
ReplyDeleteSince you will still be working your contracted 190 days my guess is there will be no increase in salary. Your day care provider will have to give you the weeks off as they occur.
ReplyDeleteI do not know of a provider that is going to give 3 free weeks every 9. I have been lucky to find quality providers that offer me a break in the summer because they are able to pick up additional children for the 10 week break in the summer. It is unrealistic to expect them to do otherwise, they need to support their family as well. So, as I said earlier, my family is going to be out more money for child care expenses. I just think that needs to be mentioned, as I am sure I am not the only one in this position.
ReplyDeleteHere is a novel idea, used else where for years and years, day care in schools, it is a class for students and both students and faculty can use it.
ReplyDeleteThink about it, it would support lots of kids who have kids....and let them finish their high school education. Instead of adding more obstacles we could remove one...best interest of kids, IPS...not going to happen.
I be an administrator soon, me be finished with IWU program and making money soon, me be working the summer days, money, money, and I can be so hatefull to teachers and students.
ReplyDelete@I be an administrator soon
ReplyDeleteu be 2 funny. sis, u can by $$bling$$ now.
@I be an administrator soon
ReplyDeleteu be 2 funny. sis, u can by $$bling$$ now.
Be drivin a big escalade to, cause you gots to no that big cars is the value of an edumacation$
IWU ....when are people going to realize that degrees from IWU are not like college degrees.
ReplyDeleteI don't know anything about IWU, but some of the alternative-type programs get an undeserved bad rap. For example, Western Governor's University is an online university, but it's much more challenging than IU School of Education.
ReplyDeleteYear round, traditional, balanced...whatever. None of it makes any difference anymore. IPS has sucked forever and it always will.
ReplyDeleteMy sources say - Yes,Title funds will be used to pay for one week of full day remediation to all students who fail. Teachers paid with Title funds will be returned to the classroom, except for Kindergarten, who are already in the classroom. IPS will need to cut $20 million for next year. RIFs are coming and going up to the 5 year teacher mark.
ReplyDeleteTo IPS...you suck nice round spherical balls.
ReplyDeleteAs for the teachers i love you and i pity the fact that you must suffer through I.P.S. retarded choices.