Friday, February 26, 2010

Cadre Cuts

Has anyone else heard that Dr. White plans to cut the cadres as a way to balance the budget? Aren't those positions funded with stimulus money?

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  1. I did notice on the IPS budget cut email PowerPoint one of the proposed cuts says, "Stimulus-Teachers."

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  2. As a cadre, I would hope that isn't the case, however I guess anything is possible. I was under the impression that the program was in place for two years as it was created with the stimulus money. IPS already has the money, I don't know how they could eliminate the program without being in a world of trouble. I enjoy working in the different schools and have thoroughly enjoyed prepping for ISTEP the last month. It would be a shame for the program to be eliminated but only time will tell, I suppose.

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  3. Cadre teachers cannot be cut for another year. It is part of our professional development piece.

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  4. Ditto above. Cadre salaries are paid using the Stimulus Funds which are 'designated funds' for use only in Professional Development.

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  5. There is so much waste in IPS...even in areas such as copy paper...It makes me sick to see the amount of paper used for scrimmages, this and that test, notices, forms - I can pull enough paper from the recycling bin to make most of the copies I need for hand-outs. "Save a tree" might sound trite, but it is true - not to mention the huge expense of all that paper

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  6. Although it was federal money, the whole concept of a cadre has never worked out......it has been poorly managed and misused since its inception. Time for it to go.

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  7. Both the ISTEP+ and Acuity Benchmarks can be administered using computers. This would save countless reams of paper, countless persons having to 'shuffle' those papers, countless persons having to box tests and mail them.

    Other districts use Online testing, so why doesn't IPS? Actually, that's a rhetorical question. The answer is that our administrators in charge of testing (dinosaurs, to be sure) do not have enough faith in our students to test well using Online capabilities. Eventually, we will have no choice; all testing will be administrered Online.

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  8. I agree about the cadre subs. They can be reduced in number. I have had many tell me they sit in the library and the teacher's lounge a lot. AT our building, one showed up--or was sent--to sub for a teacher and the teacher had no plans to go anywhere. In fact, we were in the computer lab working on PLATO. More evidence of their waste is why do they send two subs to cover one classroom? Some that stimulus money could go elsewhere.

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  9. I follow the boards and educational news. Why are there 12 new teachers hired and assigned as cadres?
    Is this an automatic procedure that they are "trained" through Professional Development before going to a classroom?

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  10. What board or newspaper did you get that from? Have a link?

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  11. How have the cadres been misused? I go above and beyond what I should be doing in the classrooms, as do many other peers that I have encountered. Yes, there are some that are lazy, but that doesn't mean the entire cadre is useless. We go where we are assigned and more times than not, if a teacher says they aren't supposed to be anywhere, that is the fault of the principal. They are the ones sending the information of who needs coverage and how many people are needed to our supervisor ahead of time. Could it stand to be more organized? Absolutely. I for one have never been lucky enough to get paid for an entire day while sitting in the library or break room, nor would I want to. I enjoy my job, unfortunately, there are always going to be people that dislike the cadre. No department is perfect.

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  12. Cadre subs often report to buildings to sub when no one knows they are coming. Then they sit around all day and talk with each other and read the newspaper. On other days when a cadre sub is expected, no one shows and other teachers have to divide the students. They frequently are unable to handle the students and cause more problems than they prevent.

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  13. Cadre subs report to a building upon the request of the building principal or whatever building level administrator is in charge of Professional Development for his/her school. Cadre teachers don't just drop in for the heck of it. Yes, someone knows a Cadre teacher is coming to school; however, the ball is being dropped at the building level by the building level administration. Don'be be fooled when your principal says, "I didn't even know they were coming."

    Occasionally Cadre teachers are dispatched to a school as per the ELA Supervisor or the Math Supervisor from the Ed Center. These occasions are for building level PD arranged from the Ed Center. Again, the building principals are notified of the PD and the Cadre's schedule to be in his/her building.

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  14. If that happened in a couple of buildings, I think we could blame it on the building administrators. It continues to happen at buildings all over the system tolots of principals. Either lots of principals are lying or it doesn't work like you say. I think the building principals aren't lying on this one. It has happened to too many of them and to the competent ones also.

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  15. Cadre is not poorly managed. Principals request the number of teachers needed. Competent teachers welcome us and have plans ready. Incompetent teachers don't want us in their rooms and conveniently tell us they didn't know we were coming. Believe me we see what's going on in schools.

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  16. You know..If there were regular classroom teachers possibly getting cut they wouldn't want people bashing on their job and how worthless they are when they teach and how they don't do this or that... so I think it would be nice if people on here could show some compassion to us cadre members who might be on the chopping block...NOT because we don't do a good job, but because IPS has to make some cuts..

    Last year when the cuts took place, nobody bashed the teachers saying they deserve it or they got to go.. so it is not respectful that people are on here bashing the cadres because as many people have stated some of us are lazy and do a bad job, but then there are some of us that do our best and actually get personally requested to go to buildings by principals who want us there because they know we can do our jobs and do them well.

    Remember...do to others as you wish they will do to you and Karma... what goes around will come back around to bite you

    So be careful how you bash another person's job because you never know when you might be the one out of a job!!

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  17. First of all, Cadres aren't "subs". They are just as qualified as you, and some may be more qualified.
    Second, Cadres receive their schedule several weeks ahead of time, so the excuse of principals don't know is a joke.
    I have never seen all these people you talk about sitting around reading newspapers in the teachers lounge or hanging out in the library. Last time I checked, they do get the prep periods and lunch period of the classroom teacher they are covering. Before you judge, walk in someone else's shoes.

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  18. I've never had any issue at all with the cadres. I think someone just comes on here and makes stuff up! lol

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  19. I enjoy working in the Cadre. The job description on paper looks impressive, but in reality it is not well organized. More attention needs to paid to what levels the cadres are certified in and place them in (or close)to their areas. I taught 12 years in a high school. The day I was assigned to a kindergarten class was a disaster, especially since my original assignment for that day was 6th grade. Using cadre members for professional development is good, but maybe with all of the talk about 3rd graders not being able to read, SOME cadres could be assigned permanently next year to schools to focus on the lower grade levels.
    Also heard that there was going to be a new supervisor next year.

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  20. Thank goodness for that. Our current supervisor needs to go!

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  21. We have a cadre teacher at our building assigned to assist with ISTEP+ prep. and she is AWESOME!!! AWESOME! Stepped right in and started to work.

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  22. Yes, I think the only problem ANY of us have with the cadre is not the teachers themeselves, but the mismananagement/ miscommunication at the top.

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  23. Who is the current supervisor for the Cadre teachers?

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  24. Judith Walls

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  25. New Topic: Let's talk about FPP Schools. Full Purpose Partnership Schools, is your school one and does it really serve the students or is it just a way to keep problem students out of alternative school?

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  26. FFPP schools!!

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  27. This cadre idea is soooo dysfunctional. They are the teaching fellows who made the transition from business to teaching in a crash course with three weeks of "student teaching" in a summer-school setting. Even a licensed teacher doesn't become proficient in a year, 5 years, ten years! A degree in English does not a teacher make; it takes years to master that iceberg! These neophytes, though well-intentioned, need experience! Interrupting a teacher's syllabus, curriculum, program is so disingenuous. Our students need stability, continuum, routine, something they can count on! This stimulus money was acquired hurriedly, programmed without thought and just bumbled. Reduce class size; eliminate the "coaches," and let professional development take place in the summer. Keep the teachers in the classroom!

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  28. I wish I'd never heard of FPP schools!! Our school has NO discipline anymore. Instead, they go to the Respect Center and are "talked to." Our building is crazy-wild. About sixty percent of our student population need to attend a military type boot-camp. I've applied for a transfer, and NEVER want another FPP building.

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  29. There are more Cadre members who are NOT teaching fellows than who are. I find it extremely humorous that so many people can be so opinionated regarding the Cadre members when they honestly don't have any idea what goes on with them.

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  30. Bad and good regarding the Cadre. This program is first of its kind in the United States, so of course there are going to be some communication issues and some glitches here and there. As far as the teaching fellows they are placed before other qualified teachers because it is mandatory they have at least three weeks of classroom training. Is that right? Personally I don't think so. I thank you to all who support the cadre and what they do and to all of you that disagree with the cadre all I can say is suck it up and address any issue you have with your own supervisor because that is were communication is being misplaced. Cadre is a two year program that is funded by the stimulus money that does not come from IPS; it comes specifically from the government. Cadre teachers will not be cut because it is not IPS's money funding the program and it is a contracted two year program. As a cadre member we get our assignments two weeks in advance and sometimes a month in advance. Our supervisor forwards those schedules to the principals at each IPS school. So if you are having a problem not knowing we are coming, didn't know you had a workshop, or were not prepared for us those are miscommunications between your principal and staff, not the cadre. We know our assignments and are prepared to go to each one every day. So be careful where you put the blame. If you want to start cutting back on IPS budget the first thing we can do is take away Dr. White's $10,000 clothing allowance he receives each year! I would like to think we are all mature and grown up about all these issues on this website. Some take it too personally and shouldn't. If you are having questions or things are bothering you about any of these issues go to your supervisor or downtown and do something about it.

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  31. I agree about the cadre funding but dont understand how White is proposing to reduce the budget deficit by abolishing it. It may just be more of the Eugene White smoke and mirrors that is successful because we have a school board without a clue and media that will not investigate his "claims".

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  32. I was the cooperating teacher for the summer-school teaching fellows and three weeks in insufficient. They were trained to use the MTV strategy and I was told they could apply it. When I was scheduled for a Professional Development workshop, I left the transparencies, the markers, the projector, the instructions, copies for every student and felt the learning train would continue smoothly; it didn't happen. My students verified the snafu.

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  33. I don't think you can take too seriously the power point about the cuts. For example: Deputy Superintendent's Office 27.5 FTE Cut

    This includes the 20 police officers and some assitants paid for out of general fund. No one from Dr. Giles' office is leaving except for one secretary who has been out on FMLA for over one year.

    The CADRE is for one more year. Teachers are being hired into the CADRE because there are still slots to be filled.

    Hopefully they will take some of these young, talented, and experienced teachers out of the CADRE and put them into classrooms that old, tired, worn-out, and out of date teachers now hold.

    I'm sorry but when teachers have on average 22 years of experience and can't teach simple Algebra to students, because "I never was taught how to" then it's time for them to go.

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  34. I thought I read they are eliminating Dr. Giles position...

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  35. Is Jeff White running for the US Senate

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  36. There goes Prudence bashing veteran teachers again. We all know excellent veteran teachers and know ones who are nt doing well. Prudence should not paint all veteran teachers with the same brush.

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  37. I hate to sound like a prude, but I wish the Prudence basher would be more prudent in thier use of insults. You clearly have a personal vendetta and I think its a pretty universal opinion from reading most of these boards that you are in the minority. Grow up, get over it, and stop making us look like children.

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  38. The Cadre will not be cut. Cutting the Cadre would serve no purpose for increasing the General Fund. Cadre teachers are paid with Obama Stimulus Funds which are funds designated for Professional Development only.

    Federal funds always have strings attached, even Stimulus Funds. Remember, "There's no such thing as a free lunch."

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  39. Tuesday evening, there is a meeting open to the public to discuss the proposed budget cut. With so many suggestions and opinions, I hope that there are many people in attendance!

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  40. It couldn't have been a Prudence comment above...it was too well written.

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  41. That couldn't have been a Prudence comment above. It was too well written.

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  42. I think you are correct. If Prudence had posted it, there would have been incorrectly spelled words and sentence fragments that made no sense.

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  43. I am in an FPP school and feel super blessed to have so much support and help with the students who need extra behavior support. The admin. needs to be stricter on behavior problems but the FPP support is AWESOME! I'd hate to be somewhere that didn't have all the help with the problem kids!

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  44. We have some great cadre members in our building right now! Some we've had in the past have been horrible but these ladies are very helpful. I haven't seen many cadre that could handle a whole class on their own but having them there to offer extra help is great!

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  45. I work in an FPP school. I don't feel that the whole FPP concept was well explained. The students are completely undisciplined and getting worse by the day. We need a stronger administrator who doesn't just tell them not to do that again and then send them back to class!

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  46. It depends. Knee-jerk "blame the administrator" irks me just as much as knee-jerk "blame the teacher." Are other teachers having troubles too? If not, what do they do differently? If the administrator wants things handled more in the classroom, has he/she given you suggestions? I would think they would choose teachers for the FFP schools who are comfortable with students with behavior problems. Is that not the case? If several teachers are having troubles, have you considered asking for a meeting, so you all can discuss the problems together and maybe come to solutions. Sometimes people have different ideas about what a perfectly handled discipline issue looks like, and sometimes it helps to get on the same page. I'm sorry you're dealing with this though. I can only imagine how frustrating it is.

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  47. They are hiring Cadre teachers every single day. They will not be cut.

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  48. aren't some of the cadre teachers those who were taken from the classroom in December and who are expected to return to the classroom in the fall under a performance improvement plan?

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  49. I don't see Cadre positions listed on the employment site anymore...

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  50. Where are they going to pplace the 50 new ITF Fellows for next year?????

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  51. Put them at School #60! Lots of people want to transfer out of there. Why doesn't anyone ever ask why?

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  52. just like all parts of IPS there are the good, the bad, and the WTFs. unfortunately cadre members fall into the WTF category. i was told that cadre members would come in with their own lessons. never happened. they were competent classroom teachers. never happened. they were placed to assist for professional development. hit or miss.
    my experience with cadre members has been that they sit in judgement of classroom teachers. with the thought "if i were a classroom teacher..." we're all guilty of judging one another (ips bs)but when two people are sent to do the job of one person and the job still manages to get botched up, then that is a little irritating. two adults just standing with their arms crossed as the class goes loco, a problem. or writing up informal complaints/evaluations about classroom teachers as if your two cents matters for the two hours that you "managed" the class. in all actuality you're a sub for the day. no one expects great things from you (anymore). it's not your fault. you were set up to fail and have everyone against you from the start. you would have better served as classroom assistants (aides) because the powers that be didn't and still don't know what to do with you.

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  53. Hey! Did you hear the one about the former Cadre person turned teacher? Her nickname is the "texting tattletale."

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  54. It's amazing to me that some of these Cadres think a principal is going to hire them when they run and talk about the teachers to the principal or anyone else who will listen. They need to learn to keep their mouths shut because what goes around comes around.

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  55. We have a texting tattletale in the schools? Wow...who has time to text? Must be a young teacher, because an older one wouldn't be so rude.

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  56. LOL! Yes, everyone knows older teachers aren't rude!

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  57. I'm in between young and old (I'm almost 40), but I text all the time. Most of the time I post here, it's from my phone. It doesn't take any more time than any other form of communication. Everyone who has time to post here has time to send a text message, no?

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  58. LOL @ LOL!

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  59. I don't remember saying he/she was texting on school time. :) LMAO

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  60. Cut everybody and only have teachers from ITF and TFA in the classrooms who actually know their subject matter.

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  61. Why not, it's cheaper. LMAO! @ITF and TFA

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