IPS B.S. got an e-mail last night that the Central Office is going to eliminate the district's police force as a way to save money. Do you think this is a good idea?
They have become very selective about what they will do. At one high school, all they do is ride around on their golf carts in groups of 3 or 4. Students can be on campus cutting class, smoking or anything else and they just wave and drive by them. Their attitude has become that everything is the teachers' responsibility.
That attitude isn't a new one. It started about 3 - 4 years ago when discipline became another responsibility of teachers. Some officers are taking their orders to heart. They were told to uphold the law, not their job to be babysitters, counselors, deans, or administrators. It looks as if someone may be justifying cuts in the budget and teachers without downsizing the central office in any way. Just a thought.....
That would be great, the police runs and calls would become public record and the public and "Bobble-Headed" Board would see the problems in print. The Central Office offers safety of the unprofessional staff who would be fired in a New York minute at a township school.
This is how negative rumor start and people get their panties in a bunch. The blogger needs to state that the IPS B.S. Blog received an email from an anonymous source and that nothing has been formally stated from the central office. You know how people are. They will read into this and a mountain will be created out of a mole hill. The administrators won't get rid of police because then they will have to deal with the problems and we all know THAT isn't going to happen.
Secondary schools have had regular police support. Elementary schools are lucky to have an officer show up, and when they do it may be hours later. Our principal was once told by an officer that he was not a babysitting service. What, and we teachers are?
My daughters principal at KEY School put out a message that KEY SCHOOL will become one campus next year in the cost cutting move. We received a automated message last night about informational meeting tonight about the move.
I believe that when the school police adopted this attitude that we are not babysitters and that "we don't deal with discipline" and it is not our job to enforce rules that they sealed their own fate. Now they just strut around and do nothing. Sounds to me like a good place to make a cut. If we had a cooperative team playing police force that would not be the case.
Hey, just a question for anyone who reads this blog. If someone else were going to start up a new site for education discussion, would you prefer a blog setup like this one, where the blogmaster posts a topic for discussion, and people can reply, or a discussion forum where viewers can post topics and start threads? Just curious.
It sounds like you want a site where the blogmaster can censor what is posted. I prefer this one as it allows the truth to emerge. I agree sometimes it gets off track but the last thing we need is information that is "controlled" by someone.
The blogmaster already "controls" and "censors" what is posted here. I like the idea of a discussion forum where various thread topics can be started and responded to by different posters.
The major example is when the blogmaster posted stuff about the district accepting donations and someone responded about how that wasn't possible, and the blogmaster deleted the whole thread (or something like that -- I wasn't the poster, and the information got deleted, so I'm going from memory). Other more minor examples are that the blogmaster insists on making this blog about namecalling and gossipmongering. If an intelligent discussion starts, she accuses people of being from central office or of teacher-bashing. Since she starts the threads, we don't have discussions about many current topics that she doesn't want to talk about.
It is obvious to me that some central office administrators do make attempts to make excuses or to bash teachers. I have friends in the Ed. Center who tell me that it is talked about frequently. One high placed administrator is well known to be a very poor speller so it is easy to spot her posts.
Yes, but we have many teachers here that make excuses or bash other teachers. Everyone thinks that they are perfect and the problem lies somewhere else. More often than not, it is the ones that think they aren't the problem and complain that ARE, in fact part of the problem. Instead of bitching about others, help them. Maybe they truly don't know any better. A lot of the comments I read on here indicate that you aren't happy with your job. If you dislike IPS that much, leave. You are here to educate students, not make IPS look like it is the worst system in the country.
from above "One high placed administrator is well known to be a very poor speller so it is easy to spot her posts."
As an IPS employee, I cringe when I read emails from Ed Center administrators and building level administrators who cannot write in standard English. There's simply no excuse for this! This speaks directly to the skill level of our overall leadership within IPS; it is subpar.
I hope not. I love our officer. He does a good job and does counsel students, and works with them, plus has a group he works with after school. The kids love him, but know he always means business.
Isn't Center for Iquiry at two locations as well. Will they consolidate to one building or because of the blue ribbon (national award or whatever it was) be able to stay appart.
In addition I believe the Key problem is part of Dr. Whites agenda. When we had secondary teacher meetings at the beginning of the year. Dr. White made comments about Key's scores and did not speak of them well. In one part saying "I don't know why we keep that program open at all.".
Sounds like the budget cut is going to give hime the ability, reason, and excuse to start shutting down the program. I have had over the years a lot of good students come from the Key program to Manual (not as much since HS was added) but enought to know it one of the better ones. He needs to rethink this position if this is the direction they are heading.
Let even one of you complaining about the IPS Police try walking in their shoes for at least one day. Not only do they have bosses in their dept telling them what they can and cannot do, they also have the school Principals pulling their strings. IPS Police are not allowed to be police officers, but let your schools go without their presence and see how quickly the students will take over your schools. I watched it happen more than once.
That's crazy lets cut out what the schools need maybe the law suites from the families that have a child that was killed. Mean while there is althernatives options open the fake judge makes 100,000 look it up on board docks, that have all the people that no one really needs to keep it going. then the parent info centers there is four of them three in each site how much money is wasted there when that can be done in the schools. IPS is the crazest place ever glad I don't work there. Hey doc white if you started this blog or you read it how about to save money get ride of the programs you don't need didnt the schools place the kids in the bad kds schools? didnet the schools reg their own kids? Lets go back to the basic on some things and save some money not remove the people that are keep the kids safe. I guess if you do this I will take mine out and pay for private schools.
comments to the person that said poor speller. What about Dr.Giles (google him) he was ask to leave quitely from a school in KA for poss sexual harrassment. Poor spelling can be fixed he character cannot. He was hired by dr. W to be in charge wonder what he has on him? HOw can anyone respect his choices when he put someone in charge that could not make it in another school. Then rumor has it that the judge he hired was ask to step down at her last job. What do we get at IPS the rejects? HOw can parents trust their childs safety and education to a leader that hires people that no one else wanted? Wake up White stop hireing all the people no one wants you cut out jobs and the education out but you have high dollar people out there who are not wanted. YOu have this crazy Judge who makes up a lot your budget who has NO knowledge of school policy no degree in education. How can she know what to do? If you got rid of that program alone how many thousands of dollars can you put back in to the system?? Are you really as crazy as you sound?
I'm not understanding. So your saying that police officers should be babysitters? I mean I've been there when a principle would call the police for an unruly child and then when the officer arrives the principle refuses to suspend them or just gives them a warning and send them back to home room or send them home which you in turn you want the officer to do if the aprents cannot pick that child up. I have even heard a teacher say that they will call the police just to scare a child into doing something because they tend to listen to an authority figure. I have seen it when a child brings a weapon to school, it gets confiscated and then a police officer gets called in after the fact, (the next day) and the principle wants a small inside report only to cover their butts. Or this is even better: When they do finally suspend a child or disciplin a child for doing something wrong its the officer who gets called in to tranport that child to their home or to a babysitters house from school when the parents arent able to come and pick them up. But yet the officers are the ones to blame, right?! I have been there when a mother would call and say that their son/daughter doesn't want to go to school that day and the principle would actually call an officer who would then go and pick up that child from their home and take them to school. Last time I looked that was not in their job description. You can't have it both ways. I have seen it where a parent would call an officer before calling the school and ask that the offier talk to the child and straighten them up so to speak, and their are officers who would do this willingly, because they want to help. Either you want an officer to be an officer and handle the situation how it supposed to be handled or do you want them to be bus drivers, counselors and babysitters.
I would far rather see the elimination of the over-paid informers and bulletin board reglators lose their jobs than the campus police.
It is highly unlikely that there will be student altercations stemming from out of date blletin boards than from a teacher reminding a student to follow a rule that they have choosen to ignore.
Let's assess the risk factors and be prudent with the budgetary funds. Who knows, it might become a positive habit.
CORRECTED: Sorry- I accidentally hit post before editing my bad typing earlier. :)
I would far rather see the elimination of the over-paid informers and bulletin board regulators lose their jobs than the campus police.
It is highly unlikely that there will be student altercations stemming from out of date bulletin boards than from a teacher reminding a student to follow a rule that they have chosen to ignore.
Let's assess the risk factors and be prudent with the budgetary funds. Who knows, it might become a positive habit.
This must be a false rumor. I cannot see that happening. I think the cost of having IMPD stop or cover schools would be prohibitive.
ReplyDeleteHave seen stranger things in IPS though.
They have become very selective about what they will do. At one high school, all they do is ride around on their golf carts in groups of 3 or 4. Students can be on campus cutting class, smoking or anything else and they just wave and drive by them. Their attitude has become that everything is the teachers' responsibility.
ReplyDeleteThat attitude isn't a new one. It started about 3 - 4 years ago when discipline became another responsibility of teachers.
ReplyDeleteSome officers are taking their orders to heart. They were told to uphold the law, not their job to be babysitters, counselors, deans, or administrators.
It looks as if someone may be justifying cuts in the budget and teachers without downsizing the central office in any way. Just a thought.....
That would be great, the police runs and calls would become public record and the public and "Bobble-Headed" Board would see the problems in print. The Central Office offers safety of the unprofessional staff who would be fired in a New York minute at a township school.
ReplyDeleteNo. This is not a good idea.
ReplyDeleteThis is how negative rumor start and people get their panties in a bunch. The blogger needs to state that the IPS B.S. Blog received an email from an anonymous source and that nothing has been formally stated from the central office. You know how people are. They will read into this and a mountain will be created out of a mole hill.
ReplyDeleteThe administrators won't get rid of police because then they will have to deal with the problems and we all know THAT isn't going to happen.
Secondary schools have had regular police support. Elementary schools are lucky to have an officer show up, and when they do it may be hours later.
ReplyDeleteOur principal was once told by an officer that he was not a babysitting service. What, and we teachers are?
It's not true.
ReplyDeleteBlogmaster,
ReplyDeleteThis is just a rumor. Where do you get your information?
My daughters principal at KEY School put out a message that KEY SCHOOL will become one campus next year in the cost cutting move. We received a automated message last night about informational meeting tonight about the move.
ReplyDeleteJamar Bess, and that's all I'm saying.
ReplyDeleteI believe that when the school police adopted this attitude that we are not babysitters and that "we don't deal with discipline" and it is not our job to enforce rules that they sealed their own fate. Now they just strut around and do nothing. Sounds to me like a good place to make a cut. If we had a cooperative team playing police force that would not be the case.
ReplyDeleteThey need to get of the guy at the Ed center that would be a good start.
ReplyDeleteI think that if all upper administration in Central Office took a $10,000 pay cut, most of our deficit would be eliminated. I'm just sayin'.
ReplyDeletePimp White needs to go away and take his Pimp son with him. From ATHS.
ReplyDeleteYet another thread disintegrates into junior high name calling. Pitiful and predictable.
ReplyDeleteI agree. But I keep coming back because every once in a while, there actually is good information or a good discussion.
ReplyDeleteThe truth is Pimp Dadey white needs to go and take all of his side kicks with him. They wiil be missed like a hemroid on a hot summer day!!!
ReplyDeleteHey, just a question for anyone who reads this blog. If someone else were going to start up a new site for education discussion, would you prefer a blog setup like this one, where the blogmaster posts a topic for discussion, and people can reply, or a discussion forum where viewers can post topics and start threads? Just curious.
ReplyDeleteIt sounds like you want a site where the blogmaster can censor what is posted. I prefer this one as it allows the truth to emerge. I agree sometimes it gets off track but the last thing we need is information that is "controlled" by someone.
ReplyDeleteThe blogmaster already "controls" and "censors" what is posted here. I like the idea of a discussion forum where various thread topics can be started and responded to by different posters.
ReplyDelete...please explain how you believe the blogmaster here controls and censors what is posted here. Provide examples.
ReplyDeleteThe major example is when the blogmaster posted stuff about the district accepting donations and someone responded about how that wasn't possible, and the blogmaster deleted the whole thread (or something like that -- I wasn't the poster, and the information got deleted, so I'm going from memory). Other more minor examples are that the blogmaster insists on making this blog about namecalling and gossipmongering. If an intelligent discussion starts, she accuses people of being from central office or of teacher-bashing. Since she starts the threads, we don't have discussions about many current topics that she doesn't want to talk about.
ReplyDeleteShe??? What makes you think the blogmaster is a she?
ReplyDeleteDoes it really matter? You know the point that was being made.
ReplyDeleteIt is obvious to me that some central office administrators do make attempts to make excuses or to bash teachers. I have friends in the Ed. Center who tell me that it is talked about frequently. One high placed administrator is well known to be a very poor speller so it is easy to spot her posts.
ReplyDeleteYes, but we have many teachers here that make excuses or bash other teachers. Everyone thinks that they are perfect and the problem lies somewhere else. More often than not, it is the ones that think they aren't the problem and complain that ARE, in fact part of the problem. Instead of bitching about others, help them. Maybe they truly don't know any better. A lot of the comments I read on here indicate that you aren't happy with your job. If you dislike IPS that much, leave. You are here to educate students, not make IPS look like it is the worst system in the country.
ReplyDeletefrom above "One high placed administrator is well known to be a very poor speller so it is easy to spot her posts."
ReplyDeleteAs an IPS employee, I cringe when I read emails from Ed Center administrators and building level administrators who cannot write in standard English. There's simply no excuse for this! This speaks directly to the skill level of our overall leadership within IPS; it is subpar.
I hope not. I love our officer. He does a good job and does counsel students, and works with them, plus has a group he works with after school. The kids love him, but know he always means business.
ReplyDeleteWhat is going to happen to the teachers at Key's second building? Does anyone know?
ReplyDeleteIsn't Center for Iquiry at two locations as well. Will they consolidate to one building or because of the blue ribbon (national award or whatever it was) be able to stay appart.
ReplyDeleteIn addition I believe the Key problem is part of Dr. Whites agenda. When we had secondary teacher meetings at the beginning of the year. Dr. White made comments about Key's scores and did not speak of them well. In one part saying "I don't know why we keep that program open at all.".
Sounds like the budget cut is going to give hime the ability, reason, and excuse to start shutting down the program. I have had over the years a lot of good students come from the Key program to Manual (not as much since HS was added) but enought to know it one of the better ones. He needs to rethink this position if this is the direction they are heading.
F the police.
ReplyDeleteLet even one of you complaining about the IPS Police try walking in their shoes for at least one day. Not only do they have bosses in their dept telling them what they can and cannot do, they also have the school Principals pulling their strings. IPS Police are not allowed to be police officers, but let your schools go without their presence and see how quickly the students will take over your schools. I watched it happen more than once.
ReplyDeleteThat's crazy lets cut out what the schools need maybe the law suites from the families that have a child that was killed. Mean while there is althernatives options open the fake judge makes 100,000 look it up on board docks, that have all the people that no one really needs to keep it going. then the parent info centers there is four of them three in each site how much money is wasted there when that can be done in the schools. IPS is the crazest place ever glad I don't work there. Hey doc white if you started this blog or you read it how about to save money get ride of the programs you don't need didnt the schools place the kids in the bad kds schools? didnet the schools reg their own kids? Lets go back to the basic on some things and save some money not remove the people that are keep the kids safe. I guess if you do this I will take mine out and pay for private schools.
ReplyDeletecomments to the person that said poor speller. What about Dr.Giles (google him) he was ask to leave quitely from a school in KA for poss sexual harrassment. Poor spelling can be fixed he character cannot. He was hired by dr. W to be in charge wonder what he has on him? HOw can anyone respect his choices when he put someone in charge that could not make it in another school. Then rumor has it that the judge he hired was ask to step down at her last job. What do we get at IPS the rejects? HOw can parents trust their childs safety and education to a leader that hires people that no one else wanted? Wake up White stop hireing all the people no one wants you cut out jobs and the education out but you have high dollar people out there who are not wanted. YOu have this crazy Judge who makes up a lot your budget who has NO knowledge of school policy no degree in education. How can she know what to do? If you got rid of that program alone how many thousands of dollars can you put back in to the system?? Are you really as crazy as you sound?
ReplyDeletewho is this "crazy judge" you speak about?
ReplyDeleteThis would result in better quality police work!
ReplyDeleteI'm not understanding. So your saying that police officers should be babysitters? I mean I've been there when a principle would call the police for an unruly child and then when the officer arrives the principle refuses to suspend them or just gives them a warning and send them back to home room or send them home which you in turn you want the officer to do if the aprents cannot pick that child up. I have even heard a teacher say that they will call the police just to scare a child into doing something because they tend to listen to an authority figure. I have seen it when a child brings a weapon to school, it gets confiscated and then a police officer gets called in after the fact, (the next day) and the principle wants a small inside report only to cover their butts. Or this is even better: When they do finally suspend a child or disciplin a child for doing something wrong its the officer who gets called in to tranport that child to their home or to a babysitters house from school when the parents arent able to come and pick them up. But yet the officers are the ones to blame, right?! I have been there when a mother would call and say that their son/daughter doesn't want to go to school that day and the principle would actually call an officer who would then go and pick up that child from their home and take them to school. Last time I looked that was not in their job description. You can't have it both ways. I have seen it where a parent would call an officer before calling the school and ask that the offier talk to the child and straighten them up so to speak, and their are officers who would do this willingly, because they want to help. Either you want an officer to be an officer and handle the situation how it supposed to be handled or do you want them to be bus drivers, counselors and babysitters.
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ReplyDeleteIPS PD is A joke but the CHEIF is the biggest joke in the state to run a police department.
ReplyDeleteI would far rather see the elimination of the over-paid informers and bulletin board reglators lose their jobs than the campus police.
ReplyDeleteIt is highly unlikely that there will be student altercations stemming from out of date blletin boards than from a teacher reminding a student to follow a rule that they have choosen to ignore.
Let's assess the risk factors and be prudent with the budgetary funds. Who knows, it might become a positive habit.
CORRECTED:
ReplyDeleteSorry- I accidentally hit post before editing my bad typing earlier. :)
I would far rather see the elimination of the over-paid informers and bulletin board regulators lose their jobs than the campus police.
It is highly unlikely that there will be student altercations stemming from out of date bulletin boards than from a teacher reminding a student to follow a rule that they have chosen to ignore.
Let's assess the risk factors and be prudent with the budgetary funds. Who knows, it might become a positive habit.