Wednesday, July 29, 2009

Change is Coming?

IPS B.S. pulled this story off the Internet about some of the changes Tony Bennett wants to do.

indystar.com

July 29, 2009

Teacher training faces overhaul

State's plan to reshape course work draws complaints

By Andy Gammill
andy.gammill@indystar.com

Proposed rules being unveiled today would give Indiana teachers a new mandate: what you teach matters more than how you teach.

A broad series of changes proposed by Superintendent of Public Instruction Tony Bennett would require even elementary education majors to minor in core subjects such as math, English, science, art or social studies while limiting undergraduate coursework in education.

The proposal also would relax the amount of training required of principals and superintendents.

As details of the plan emerged Monday and Tuesday, school districts, teachers and universities blasted parts of it as putting unqualified people in charge of districts or in front of children. And they questioned why Bennett did not inform deans of education schools earlier.

"I don't really understand the rationale for imposing those kinds of restrictions," said Pat Rogan, executive associate dean of the education school at Indiana University-Purdue University Indianapolis. "Why would we ever want to eliminate even minimum standards for licensure? We need to be increasing the standards."

Bennett said the changes are needed to ensure school districts have flexibility in hiring and that teachers grasp the subjects they teach.

For instance, a fourth-grade teacher has to teach fractions, percentages and related concepts, Bennett said. Having an outside concentration in math would help ensure that teachers have mastered that subject.

"You have to start with the premise that improving education starts with high-quality instruction," he said. "We know that a teacher who doesn't understand complex math problem-solving cannot help a student master that."

Bennett said he also wants to give school boards the option to look more broadly than the ranks of educators when filling leadership positions.

His plan would allow any teacher to become a principal by passing a test rather than taking courses as is now required. It also would allow anyone with a master's degree in any field to become a school superintendent by taking a test.

Principals and superintendents now must take courses in school leadership and Indiana school law.

Relaxing those requirements, Bennett said, would allow a district facing serious financial problems to hire a retired corporate CEO for a year to get the books in order.

Rogan and representatives of other education schools said the proposed teacher education rules appear to tip the balance too far away from courses on how to teach.

Courses at IUPUI, for example, cover the research and laws on working with special education students, how to teach to students who learn differently, ways to engage students in lessons and many other topics.

Rogan said the proposed limits of 30 credit hours in education courses for education majors and 15 for education minors would put educators without essential teaching skills into classrooms.

Although Indiana State Teachers Association officials said they generally don't have many issues with the state's plan, they, too, are wary of the limits on the number of education courses college students can take.

"Just because someone knows chemistry inside and out doesn't mean that person knows how to reach kids teaching chemistry," ISTA spokesman Mark Shoup said.

Officials at the University of Indianapolis are still trying to figure out what the proposal means but fear it could turn their program on its head by requiring it to undo cooperative courses that, among other things, merge training in education and various subject areas.

"Do you just drop everything you do now that you think is doing well?" asked Dean Kathy Moran.

Superintendents also reacted strongly this week to the proposal, saying some changes would be helpful but others would be destructive.

Eminence Superintendent Larry Moore said he would welcome the flexibility that would come from allowing teachers to add areas of specialty without taking more courses.

That would allow him, for instance, to have a physics teacher take over a math course without having to go back to college to study math.

But he questioned the wisdom of relaxing course-work requirements for principals and superintendents.

"School business is not business, and you have to have some school sense to run a school and a school corporation," he said. "You get that from having sat in various chairs within a school system."

The proposal will be presented to the Indiana Professional Standards Board at a meeting today. The board will then hold hearings.

Indiana University Dean of Education Gerardo Gonzalez said he is concerned by the speed of the rulemaking process and the lack of consultation with education leaders.

It would be a major break in the culture of academic freedom for the state to dictate curriculum to independent universities, he said.

"Here is probably one of the most significant changes that have been advanced around teacher licensure in the state of Indiana," he said, "and the deans of education received notice the day before the meeting occurs."

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IPS B.S. agrees with some of this and disagrees with part of it. Let's start a dialogue.

16 comments:

  1. AnonymousJuly 29, 2009

    In North Carolina certified teachers can add an endorsement area by taking a test rather than taking more courses. I know three teachers who have used this format to add content areas to their license to help the school offer more courses, all three are sharp and excellent teachers. I like the idea of not having to take college courses (cost) but IPS have horrible Professional Development classes, from coaches that have not been in a classroom in ten to twenty years?

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  2. AnonymousJuly 29, 2009

    Does anyone else see this as a way to further facilitate the cronyism that is already rampant and destroying public education? Take a test, get a license. Wow, much easier, less expensive and faster than taking classes from Phoenix.

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  3. AnonymousJuly 29, 2009

    Everyone thinks they can be a teacher, we had one come in on a ""limited" licence, she lasted about a month, she had no idea about professional behavior, how to deal with students, how to prepare lessons that would catch the students interest, and teach them the standards. It was sad as she had wonderful subject specific knowledge, but you need the rest of the "stuff" too.

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  4. AnonymousJuly 29, 2009

    I really don't have a major issue with any of the changes. Yes, I've known some teachers with a lot of subject knowledge and no teaching skills, but I've certainly seen it the other way around as well. And I don't know about everyone else, but I picked up the teaching skills from working with students, not from the education classes at college. I do like that it will be easier to add areas of expertise.

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  5. AnonymousJuly 29, 2009

    My undergrad and grad work in my content area prepared me well; however, the straight education courses were mostly useless. None of the education courses really helped me with day to day classroom instruction or other issues. I learned more 'on the job' than in the education classes.

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  6. AnonymousJuly 29, 2009

    I think your teaching skills are really honed working with students, however, some of the basic methods classes should be kept. By this, I don't mean anything really silly like teaching how to write a lesson plan by making the student write it numerous times like one of my professors had me to do. The article in the paper stated a lot of the Deans from the schools of education around the state are upset because they were not notified. This needs to be a wakeup call to them as well. The best instructors I had in the undergraduate school and graduate school at Butler and IUPUI were teachers currently in the profession who taught in the evenings. The absolute worse were those with their doctorates who had not been in a classroom in 30 years. I had one prof who had the gaul to admit he had only taught one year. ( Soured me on the class immediately. My thought and you are going to tell me how to teach?)

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  7. AnonymousJuly 29, 2009

    I agree with the above two posts. All instruction and "professional development" that has been beneficial to me as a teacher has come from people who are currently working in the classroom. This includes university courses, workshops offered by the school system, workshops offered by professionals, and lots of advice from teachers in my building. People who aren't working with students on a daily basis do not have helpful knowledge or strategies to share.
    On the other hand, all instruction I've received from educators who have been out of the classroom for more than a year - or who have limited classroom experience has been a waste of time and money. Unfortunately, most of what is offered in universities and through the school system is like the second description. So it won't matter how much professional development teachers receive if it ends up being of no benefit in the classroom.
    The same holds true for coaches, facilitators, consultants, superintendents, directors etc. These people are too far removed from reality to know what works and what doesn't.

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  8. AnonymousJuly 29, 2009

    In IPS, I'm running into lots of teachers who are 'experts' in strategies and methods, but they aren't 'experts' in their content areas. Their classrooms may appear, on surface, to be hot beds of learning; however, strategies can only carry the teacher a certain distance. Content knowledge is paramount.

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  9. AnonymousJuly 29, 2009

    I learned a lot from my education courses. I took them in a semester that also included spending every morning in a classroom, the field experience made the course more meaningful. I've talked to other people who didn't have this type of field experience and their courses seemed a little disconnected from reality. Also when you are teaching in an enviroment that is totally different from your own experience there is a greater learning curve, and you need more support. You just can't pop anyone into a classroom and say TEACH.

    I am concerned that some of the younger teachers I know don't have a really good subject area knowledge.

    I also laugh when I read the comments and someone says "Bill Gates couldn't teach if he wanted to", well Bill dabbled in education to the tune of 275 million with his small schools experiment and came to the conclusion that the quality of education depends not on schools size but the knowledge and caring of the teacher.

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  10. AnonymousJuly 29, 2009

    [[Any teacher could become a principal after passing a leadership test.]]

    My question -- Do our current principals pass a standard 'leadership test' before receiving their administrative licensure?

    I have no idea. I did read from the IDOE website regarding the Indiana Principals Leadership program for administrative licensures that the average minumum GRE for candidates to that program was 837.5 which is extremely low! The average GPA of a candidate admitted to that program is 2.82 and several Indiana universities have NO minimum GRE score or undergrad GPA for admission to the Principals Leadership program. They have open admissions. Think about that!

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  11. AnonymousJuly 29, 2009

    I just took the School Leadership Licensure Assessment. The test was divided into 4 sections-2 one hour sections and 2 two hour sections. It was all handwritten essay responses and yes I did write the entire time. The cost was over $400 dollars. Many of the seasoned administrators have never taken a test. It is only for us newbies...and the next group will take the newly revised test that is only 4 hours in length and a $100 cheaper.

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  12. AnonymousJuly 29, 2009

    The full proposal of changes is available at this link:

    http://www.doe.in.gov/news/2009/07-July/teacher_quality.html

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  13. AnonymousJuly 30, 2009

    And several of those "principal preparation programs" are virtually worthless on the open market, if your district has indicated they'd like you to become an administrator they may work, but don't get one then apply elsewhere, they'll laugh at your Indiana Wesyelyn degree anywhere else. IU and ISU have great programs.

    This "change" is nothing more then an attempt to break the schools open for private industry. It will make Indiana the laughing stock of the country. Failure to prepare is preparation for failure.

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  14. AnonymousJuly 30, 2009

    would that be something like a phd from florida?

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  15. AnonymousJuly 30, 2009

    Tony Bennett is from a rural setting in southern Indiana. He doesn't understand urban education in America or more importantly in Indianapolis. The man speaks in platitiudes not specifics. For example, the justification for his radical new licensure policy is we can't allow the status quo to continue. Well true, but the real point is: how does your plan better education in Indiana?

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  16. Yes, schools could be run more efficiently. No, schools cannot be run best by someone with no educational experience.

    One of the big problems I have with the State Superintendent himself is that he's never taught in a classroom. How can you act on behalf of the students and teachers if you've never been in the classroom teacher position? I truly feel that any superintendent, state or otherwise, should have educational exprerience as a requirement.

    The limited licenses need to be changed somehow, and I do agree with teachers not having to pay for professional development necessary to their license, but it must be quality professional development. Who will ensure that?

    Bennett's critique is that teachers don't know content well enough, and as the governor put it in the Star, education majors learn too much "mumbo jumbo." I'd love to invite him to substitute teach, with no given plans, for a day or more. He understands government, right, so he should be able to teach it? And he surely understands elementary level subjects, so why don't they put him in a kindergarten class at the beginning of the year and ask him to singlehandedly keep control of the classroom and teach the basics of reading and math?

    Yes, you must know the content. I even agree that at least at my university, the elementary education classes were not near as challenging as they should have been. But the classes need to be improved- NOT done away with. Knowing content means nothing if you cannot manage a classroom or explain the content in such a way that the students understand and learn it.

    Bennett wants people to believe that he's raising the professionalism of teachers. All he's doing is cheapening the profession by claiming anyone else can do it.

    I agree that we need major changes in our system and that teachers need to know the content. I agree that some licensure requirements are ridiculous. But the way he's going about things is extremely frustrating. Businesses focus only on profit, and rarely on the customers. If a school is run completely like a business, the test scores- not the students- will be the focus.

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