IPS administrators say the District only lost 300 students this year, but IPS B.S. is hearing a different story.
Dozens of teachers have been talking about how IPS changed the math and if teacher failed to mark a student absent, they were counted as present for the whole day. Second, the day before ADM, Thursday, children had to be marked with a "1" so they could be counted as present. And then you add on the fact teachers were pulled out of class for professional development the cadres were responsible for taking attendance. Anyone else see a possible conspiracy here?
The Department of Education will audit the results due to this same problem with different school systems. IPS will then meet their real goal within the next three weeks as the townships will just "found out" that students that they "counted" do not live in the township? Its just a game all of the school systems play to keep the money.
ReplyDeleteOMG! This site is REALLY living up to its name today!
ReplyDeleteCan anyone explain to me the retirement package that was sent out yesterday...what do the acronyms stand for? How does not access the money for medical expenses...where can we see a copy of the agreement to read the fine print?
ReplyDeleteI, too, wonder who to talk to about the retirement package. Can anyone help?
ReplyDeleteThis post is BS. The way it works is that if a student has 3 1's marked they are considered enrolled. On the high school level it is not a good idea to have students who are not present be counted because they count against your attendance rate and your graduation rate. I think you are looking for a problem that does not exist. Even if you were right the only way that IPS could get away with it is if no other public school tried to count them for ADM. All public and charter schools submit the student state IDs and if two disctricts try to submit the same kid they send it back to the schools to fix.
ReplyDeleteThe only way that IPS could get away with it is if no other public school counts them on ADM. Students move out of the IPS system, drop out of school without informing schools.
ReplyDeleteIf it's possible then the creative accounting will happen.
Money is money.
It is O.K. we will be over any loss soon. Now that ADM is over the townships will begin to miraculasly find students to send back to us (with no funds to educate). In my high school classes I usually get 15-25 over the next month.
ReplyDeleteKids coming in saying "Perry, Warren, etc reealized we did not live there districts and told us we had to change schools" or something to this effect. These students usually are Spec Ed. or have discipline or some other problem (the real reason they are sent back).
The state should say. Once ADM happens and you took the money. They are yours unless there is a change of address by the student.
That would make the most sense! Or, the new school should get a prorated portion of the funds.
ReplyDeleteAhhhhhhhh, but were you guys aware of the fact that students are free to go to any township--without paying tuition--as of January, 2009? So townships can not say that anymore. If necessay, I will find you the link where this is stated. A lot of people know this, but many stil don't know it it a reality. Thanks, Mitch!
ReplyDeleteThey are free to go to townships, however the townships have established "caps" on how many IPS kids they will take.
ReplyDeleteAlso the high schools routinely "cleanse" the rolls of non-attending students well after ADM numbers are submitted. I have records of students whose attendance all the way back to the start of the school year vanished in mid December.
Schools manipulate stats all the time, how many kids are suspended around test time, one goofy kid who wouldn't pass an ISTEP test in a group of 25 is 4% of your testing percentage, suspend him and you raise your passing percentages. What makes schools do this, high stakes testing.
ReplyDeleteIn schools today we are always between a rock and a hard place, do what is right for kids first, or do what is right for your system first? Often they are on the far ends of the spectrum. That same suspended kid never gets tested and now we have no idea what the kids strengths and weaknesses are.
Remember when you took your tests and measurement classes? You learned what tests and measurements were for; to assess student learning, strengths and weaknesses, discover what remediation was needed; all student centered. How far astray we have gone from these ideals.
Amen..the townships schools do lie and let non resident students attend until after ADM and then it is back to IPS....also if they live in the township district and have a learning or behavior problem then they suggest that they find a relative in IPS and use that address as IPS is better equipped to handle their learning or behavior problems....the flow from the townships will start now....
ReplyDeleteI know on the high school level you have to get all of the students to test and would never suspend one to keep them from testing. High schools are judged by a participation rate and we drag them off the street to test them.
ReplyDeleteAs far as it being free to go to the townships, that is true but the townships get money for those students if they count them on the ADM. It is true that we mysteriously get students from townships after ADM happens.
Good to see that this topic was swatted away by rational posters telling the truth.
ReplyDeleteThe more i think about it the more I see that even Dr. White, is nothing but a gog in the wheel. My anger at him is that he is not speaking out against this high stakes testing/accountablitiy movement. There is no respect for the time it takes to nurture intellect, and the natural development of children when you test/test/test. In other districts the leaders have said this is wrong. Dr. White has simply climbed on the band wagon of this group.
ReplyDeleteLast year there was a series of aricles on the role of play in children's learning. Play is a child's work when they are in preschool. Prematurely trying to get them "educated" doesn't respect the natural development of their brains. In the book "Your child's growing mind" by Jane Healy she tells the story of a group of song birds, scientist discovered that there was a certain window of time when they learned to sing, and removed them from their parents and put them in a silent room, they never learned to sing. When I think of these children who are pushed into things they are not ready for I think of those sad silent songbirds robbed of what their lives could have been.
This is the first year that the townships were "free" to anyone. I wonder if the influx will change after ADM?
ReplyDeleteFriday's professional development probably wasn't a conspiracy, but simply another example of poor planning by administration.
ReplyDeleteOne plus....Friday was the first time I spent an entire day at John Marshall without a fire alarm!
The 20 minutes it too for the office staff to call students to the Homecoming's pep rally were extremely dispruptinve. Since the PD is in a separate section of the building, away from staff and students, could the PA speakers be disconnected from all but true emergency announcements?
Sorry. There was another announcement whie I was typing "disruptive".
ReplyDeleteSpellcheck, please?
Yes, students are free to go to any district, IF THEY ARE ACCEPTED. If they haven't filled out the appropriate paperwork, then the township will happy to "discover the error" after ADM.
ReplyDeleteThe student has to incurred the cost of the extra transportation costs from their home to the school of their choice. The school has the right to refuse students and North Central High School was looking at placing a limit on the number of students accepted due to over crowding concerns. I know that we lost some students from the beginning of the year, but our numbers were honest and accurate.
ReplyDeleteSpellcheck would have caught took and while, also.
ReplyDeleteWhy don't you reread prior to posting your comment? We expect that of our students.
Or is it "Do as I say, not as I do?"
Dr. White is a "gog in the wheel"? Do you mean
ReplyDelete"cog"??...
Yup and I also know i when it refers to a person is capitalized. Don't bother buying a net book if you are over forty, you won't be able to see what you wrote on that tiny little screen.
ReplyDeletethe sending school and the receiving school have to agree...why would IPS ever agree....the township schools only agree if the student is a good trouble free student....when will people realize that Eugene White will destroy IPS and that the IEA is dead and sold out by Ann Wilkins to Eugene...she was his candidate and is only doing what he says now.
ReplyDeleteno criticism intended about the "gog" comment...just wondered if it was a pun of some kind that I wasn't getting....
ReplyDeleteThe direction these thread takes cracks me up. Someone starts with, what they feel is, a seemingly legitimate concern, but it turns to other "concerns" and calling each other out for grammatical and spelling errors. I think you all just want a place to complain and to point out other people's inadequacies...
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